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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#111101: Oct 9th 2019 at 7:24:14 PM

Aren't plenty of the antics in "romantic comedies" sort of really sketchy and skeevy?

Edit: Crap, I have a page-topper. Um, what more to say?

I'm O.K with the concept of romantic comedies, it's just that, while I admit I'm not a expert, they tend to come with a lot of unpleasant baggage and tropes we're better off without. If the genre can grow past that baggage, good for it.

Edited by fredhot16 on Oct 9th 2019 at 7:34:25 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111102: Oct 9th 2019 at 8:49:16 PM

The best romcoms are ones that defy the genre conventions, just like the best superhero movies are ones that defy general superhero conventions. For example, two of my favorite romcoms are Shaun of the Dead (billed as a "rom zom com" — a romantic comedy with zombies) and The Big Sick (a romcom where the female lead spends most of the movie in a coma).

Edited by alliterator on Oct 9th 2019 at 8:49:48 AM

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#111103: Oct 9th 2019 at 8:57:08 PM

The issue is also, as Aniston describes, the increasing proportion of films that are CG heavy. Romcoms aren't perfect, as no genre is, but they're easy to film for, don't first demand commitment to sequels, and rarely involve greenscreen or hours of costuming.

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#111104: Oct 10th 2019 at 7:32:08 AM

Also, I'm super wary of taking a genre that is primarily directed at women and going "well it's all trash, isn't it?" Especially since this happens constantly with media that has a large female fanbase. We don't need no romantic comedies, we just need better ones.

No one says action movies should die off because a lot of them feature 'good guy with a gun' narratives.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#111105: Oct 10th 2019 at 8:46:30 AM

I personally can't stand romcoms, but I agree that the issue is most of them are bad and troperiffic in ways I abhor rather than needing to go away entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing romcom elements pop up in genre blender films if only they were less noxious but the presence of other genre trappings would force them to innovate and dilute the bad/cliche tropes. Then again, I do tend to dislike romance storylines in general.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 10th 2019 at 11:53:16 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#111106: Oct 10th 2019 at 8:58:50 AM

I feel like everyone took her comments out of context for maximum clickbait. What she’s really saying is that she wants to see more films without tons of explosions or green screen, stuff that’s easier to film and goes for different emotions besides adrenaline rushes. I get that completely.

As far as romcoms, genres fall in and out of favor all the time. Westerns, disaster films, straight up action films in the vein of Commando (which one could argue superhero films are the direct descendants of). Some years people want to make the next Independence Day, some they want to make the next There's Something About Mary. Genres don’t die, they fall in and out of favor, and wanting to see more when their popularity wanes isn’t horrible.

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#111107: Oct 10th 2019 at 9:25:49 AM

I mean, Deadpool is a romcom, so...

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#111108: Oct 10th 2019 at 11:02:44 AM

But also an absurdist comedy, a horror movie, and a comic book movie. Deadpool's just a fun time.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#111109: Oct 10th 2019 at 12:34:46 PM

Add to this with Ticket Prices in Theaters getting more expensive (not to mention concessions and such) people may not be willing to plunk down 10-12 bucks for a plain old Rom Com whose effect is same if its seen in a theater vs at home on Netflix/Amazon/Hulu ect but they ARE willing to pay that for a huge big budget tentpole flick.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#111110: Oct 10th 2019 at 1:37:39 PM

[up]That’s another thing. A lot of theater purists insist on seeing the movies at the theater and not at home for the full effect. That the theatre going experience is part of the magic of cinema.

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#111111: Oct 10th 2019 at 1:50:35 PM

That's a crowd that's inevitably going to wane as time passes. "Theater viewing is REAL cinema!" is just the same fear of a changing world that afflicts everyone as they get older.

Mind you, there are legitimate reasons to want to see a film in a theater. Mainly the screen and sound system. But most of people banging the "REAL CINEMA" drum are people who grew up in a time where either the theater or home VHS were your only options.

That's an audience that is going to eventually die and be replaced by people who grew up in the age of Netflix. Both the methods we use to create film and the methods used to measure success will eventually have to change as we move further and further into the streaming era.

Until then, the continued financial dominance of big-budget effects-laden films worth seeing on a giant screen in SUPER ULTRA MEGA INFINITE X1000 SPECIAL HD with thumping sounds that make you really feel like you're right there in the nuclear explosion at the box office will continue. To the younger crowd, there just isn't really a reason to buy tickets to see You've Got Mail in the same theater where you watched Avengers: Endgame.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 10th 2019 at 2:55:45 AM

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#111112: Oct 10th 2019 at 2:45:33 PM

[up]I’d point out the continued endurance of vinyl as a format, which means that as long as theaters are open for big budget comic book movies, there will always be a crowd for the magic of cinema, even if it’s in the tiny corner theatre. It’s assuredly a much smaller market than your MP 3 subscription service however.

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 10th 2019 at 5:47:23 AM

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#111114: Oct 10th 2019 at 6:10:52 PM

So I'm watching the first Captain America again and I saw the scene where Peggy shoots at Steve for kissing another girl. How would things have gone if the shield didn't work and he died right there?

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#111115: Oct 10th 2019 at 6:15:56 PM

Peggy would most likely be arrested, court martialed, & maybe executed for killing their greatest asset in a fit of public jealousy & costing them the war.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 10th 2019 at 6:20:04 AM

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#111116: Oct 10th 2019 at 6:18:25 PM

...this franchise would've panned out very very very differently.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#111117: Oct 10th 2019 at 6:21:02 PM

[up][up][up]Easily my least favorite 30 seconds in the movie, and up there for the MCU as a whole. It is so petty, dangerous, and downright stupid it remains a cringe moment on rewatches.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Oct 10th 2019 at 9:21:10 AM

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#111118: Oct 10th 2019 at 6:39:34 PM

This is what happens when a movie reaches its character arc climax too quickly and resorts to stalling for time with terrible subplots until the third act.

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#111119: Oct 10th 2019 at 7:00:00 PM

Granted it seen clear Peggy know about the propeties of the shield so meh.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111120: Oct 10th 2019 at 7:03:48 PM

I don't think she cared or thought that the shield would work.

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#111121: Oct 10th 2019 at 7:56:00 PM

I think we just found our new "What If?" episode.

"What If Peggy just shot Steve dead?"

Actually, I recall reading one of the tie-in comics to Ant-Man that focused on Hank's adventures, and Peggy pulled the same stunt to get him to test his Pym Particles. The lesson here is never let Peggy hold a gun in a lab setting.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Oct 10th 2019 at 11:00:16 AM

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#111122: Oct 10th 2019 at 8:50:18 PM

See, shit like that is why we need romcom to die as a genre. It wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a romance to begin with, or if they at least didn't feel the need to lean into romcom's crappy tropes like that. tongue

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#111123: Oct 10th 2019 at 9:10:17 PM

That scene is an Obvious Trailer Moment. The kind of scene that exists to look really cool in the trailer, but doesn't really work so well in the film itself and just comes across as jarring.

The trailer doesn't have Cap flirting with the bit character, so in the trailer, Peggy just does that because she's a scary badass who is scary and badass. Which is the better version of the scene in my opinion.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 10th 2019 at 10:12:12 AM

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#111124: Oct 10th 2019 at 9:12:45 PM

It was funnier in the trailer because without the context of jealousy it just came off as Peggy taking the work way too seriously.

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#111125: Oct 10th 2019 at 9:23:56 PM

I don't know if the scene ever states if they're using live ammo, though. Peggy might have (knowingly or not) been firing blanks at Steve.

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