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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#111076: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:25:29 AM

I feel that Rocket Rabbit found Wakanda because his keen raccoon senses picked up all the trash children.

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 8th 2019 at 10:25:59 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111077: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:41:28 AM

I will said that bring back time would bring the other stuff with it meaning all the avenger will be back and so own, after all it seen more thing go wrong because of it

" they spent several minutes finagling with a map trying to figure out which part of Africa the secret nation's supposed to be in"

That is asuming he know what exactly Africa is, as far is knowing of earth is, africa could be that town next door of the one he visit with Jane in thor 1.

Which Now I imagine of Thor asking jane of all people were is wakanda, then were is africa and then what area of africa could be and then decide to just make quick jump until he got it right.

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#111078: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:02:38 AM

Incidentally, I've been thinking about the Ancient One's dying conversation, where she reveals the ability to read the future that Strange would go on to use in Endgame. This conversation introduces two intriguing limitations to the ability.

1 - Some moments in time are simply fixed. The Ancient One notes that she's changed the future again and again, averted countless dark futures. But no matter what she did, it would always lead to this moment where she dies in the hospital. This moment could never be changed.

2 - The future seer cannot see beyond their own death.

This second point has interesting implications for Strange's future-reading. Strange asserts at the beginning of the film that removing a dead man's spell is next to impossible. So long as the Eye of Agamotto is protected by his magic, Thanos will never get the Time Gem. Ebony Maw, Thanos's sorcerer, implicitly corroborates this point by opting not to kill Strange.

There was some talk back when Infinity War was the new hotness about this. Why not just leave the Gem in the Eye forever, if that's such an effective protection? The explicit answer in the film is that Strange doing that does not lead to The Future Where We Win. But why?

I think the Ancient One answered that question with ambiguity. Maybe it does work out. Maybe it doesn't. Strange would have no way to know, because in any timeline where that criteria is invoked, Strange can't see beyond the moment where Thanos violently murders him. It would be a complete shot in the dark to put his faith in that option, whereas there's this other timeline that he can clearly see works out.

Strange also can't see beyond the Snap in any timeline where the Snap is never reversed. But that's okay because "The Snap is never reversed", by definition, counts as a Timeline Where We Do Not Win.

What's interesting is the implication that he wouldn't be able to see the five-year span in which he's dead. He might not even know about the Time Heist. But that's okay too, because the only person with the ability to influence the future is Strange.

Strange can see his actions leading up to his death in The Timeline Where We Win. The rest of it is going to fall the way it's going to. If Tony's going to decide to have a BLT sandwich tomorrow, Strange can mention that ham is delicious and that could lead Tony to deciding to have a ham sandwich instead. But if Strange says nothing, then Tony's going to decide to have a BLT sandwich. Future Tony has already made his choice, and only Strange with the benefit of future-sight can persuade Present Tony otherwise.

So it's okay for Strange to have a five-year blind spot in The Future Where We Win, because the sole deciding factor in whether or not that future comes to pass is his own action here and now.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 8th 2019 at 9:04:13 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111079: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:17:06 AM

[up]You cant rule out the fact he maybe try every universe were the snap happen and he DIDNT die, after all the Snap is random therefore it mean half of timeline were he survive by sheer luck with every combination of probabilities out it and none stick, therefore me may realize the only posibility: he need to die for the plan to work out.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111080: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:27:19 AM

[up][up] The Cinema Wins channel also pointed out something pretty interesting: by willingly giving the Time Stone to Thanos, Strange also sent a message through space and time to the Ancient Once. As soon as she hears that he willingly gave it up, she gives up the Time Stone to Banner, because she realizes that Strange has a plan.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111081: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:36:34 AM

Arguably Tony also bears the blame in he chose not to return to Earth and reinforce his team with Cap’s, so the lack of “together” is on him too. But it’s debatable whether that would’ve really helped especially since the Guardians wouldn’t be there.

They didn't need the Guardians. If they'd been together, they'd have had Thor eventually, and possibly more people protecting Vision.

Tony absolutely messed up by not returning to Earth. Though seeing this conversation now, I'd say Strange messed up by not seeing into the future earlier (we don't know how long they were on the ship). Maybe if he had, he'd have convinced Tony to turn back sooner.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111082: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:47:01 AM

To be fair, Tony reason is solid: he dosent want earth to be hurt, he know what thanos can do and he feel is best to take the battle against him way outside of earth.

remenber tony dosent know about the stones or the gauntlet, he want to avoid Thannos to hit earth and destroy it, considering he wreck the nova coprs off scree, Tony didnt have a bad idea.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#111083: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:51:40 AM

Dr Strange goes from learning about Thanos to getting kidnapped off Earth with very little downtime in between

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#111084: Oct 8th 2019 at 8:58:53 AM

Tony also might not know about Wakanda's defenses.

Cap knows about Wakanda because T'Challa let him bring a busted-ass white boy for Shuri to fix. But Tony at most knows that King T'Challa has a cool suit, plus whatever happened after Black Panther closed credits on T'Challa's public reveal.

So while Cap's like, "We take Vision to Wakanda. BOOM." Tony's looking at going to Earth and just picturing having this huge throwdown with Thanos in the middle of Times Square.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111085: Oct 8th 2019 at 9:02:55 AM

If anything this movie prove how not knowing about the villian can be letal.

Neither tony or Steve know anything about Thanos except vague stuff that make him look vaguely scary so they proceed with the best they have, Tony plan was to try to take on thanos with nothing more than him and strange(remenber he tell Spidy to go back to earth) and Cap just dig in.

Strange know he wanted the stone and that something VERY bad can happen if he got it but that it, and yet knowing more about thanos allow him to make a plan, very far fetched but it works.

Thor wittness the might of thanos first handy allow him to make the strombreaker and nearly kill him.

So you kinda can see the film as "what happen when the movie dosent deliver all the information about the villian on your hands".

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#111087: Oct 9th 2019 at 2:43:58 PM

What did she say?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111088: Oct 9th 2019 at 2:50:29 PM

The article’s title claims she says she wants fewer Marvel movies, which is wrong: what she’s actually quoted as saying is that she finds its getting harder to find acting work that isn’t green screen centric action jobs, and she finds the decreasing options frustrating.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 9th 2019 at 2:52:08 AM

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#111089: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:29:52 PM

Guessing it is supposed to be intwines with Martin's comments on Disney Marvel.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#111090: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:48:17 PM

A trend in film that has been pointed out as of late is that there are fewer romcoms than there were in the late 00s - early 10s, with more blockbusters muscling into each season. Romcoms have migrated to Netflix, with some success, but with Disney+ coming in and taking a bite out of the medium, it remains to be if the genre will continue to have room to adapt or be pushed out by streaming blockbusters too.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111091: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:56:47 PM

And Aniston has been in some Netflix romcoms along with Adam Sandler.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#111092: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:58:15 PM

I, for one, welcome the death of romcom genre.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#111093: Oct 9th 2019 at 4:03:48 PM

Romcoms have had their time in the sun.

The legend has returned.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#111094: Oct 9th 2019 at 5:49:55 PM

Yeah I enjoy the occasional Rom Com but as a whole they're better off dead.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111095: Oct 9th 2019 at 5:50:35 PM

What was a romcom again?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111097: Oct 9th 2019 at 5:58:07 PM

Yeah I know that but what's actually common elements in a romcom?

Now that I think about it, I barely see any trailers of such films that they feel foreign.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#111098: Oct 9th 2019 at 6:40:33 PM

Romcoms are responsible for reinforcing a lot of warped notions about how relationships should and actually do work. Not to say being one makes it a bad movie by default, but I can't say I particularly miss their prominence either.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#111099: Oct 9th 2019 at 6:52:38 PM

I know romcoms have a lot of cliches and can be derivative, but I think it's a bit harsh to write them all off on that basis.

I mean, weren't we all angry at Scorsese for writing off superhero movies? Just because it's a genre you don't like doesn't mean it doesn't have merit.

Like, it'd be a dick move if I were to say "horror films have no value whatsover" or "it's better that historical dramas are dying off". It's just kind of mean-spirited and kind of against what a lot of us were defending the MCU for, y'know?just bugs me

Besides, you could argue a lot of the love stories in the MCU have romcom elements. That's pretty much a good chunk of what Spider-Man: Far From Home was.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111100: Oct 9th 2019 at 7:09:23 PM

[up]Specially since superhero stuff while can be diferent, does have is own cliches over and over.

I mean look WW and Black panther, good movies with intersting themes and chararter but both but the same flaw in the final fight against the villian, why? because is super movie and it need it.

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