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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111051: Oct 8th 2019 at 12:32:48 AM

[up]Steve not doing anything but "being there" have always being a thing because Steve never really left is soldier and bully fighter ways behind, you can see in avenger were he ask Tony if he is in the mud with the wire in front of him and stark would just said he would cut it.

In one of the worst moment in MCU is Ao U were Ultron just leave sokovia and Cap plan to save people was just.....punch ultron droid, after that a move people he didnt have a plan, just stay there until Nick bait him out with is near helicarrier ex machina.

The same kinda happen back in civil war just that time the movie kinda make more unconfortable, playing him more as "I need to stand up and fight", is infinity war were it show that "I can be here all day" mean shit if your oponent is already tired of this bullshit.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111052: Oct 8th 2019 at 12:37:12 AM

For the most part, Steve doesn't really fundamentally change as a person, at least not until Endgame.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111053: Oct 8th 2019 at 12:38:24 AM

He is a singular point.

A man of unwavering principles as unbreakable as diamond, the guy everyone looks up too.

The single point everyone focuses on.

[up][up] I can’t understand that last point.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 8th 2019 at 12:39:47 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111054: Oct 8th 2019 at 12:54:39 AM

[up]That the whole "I can stand here all day"(sorry I dont remenber the quote), he give to Tony and uses in first avenger dosent work with Thanos who just punch him in the face once(after beating all the team) and walk away.

Compared with Tony who after making a plan with Starlord(what tony does best) nearly beat him until Peter sudden idiot ball.

Tony make a plan and nearly works, Steve try to stand and tell Thanos to move....and he got punch in the face for is trouble.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111055: Oct 8th 2019 at 12:55:59 AM

I mean it’s not like he could have done anything else.

Thanos’ arrival was a complete shock to everyone & they couldn’t adapt on the fly in time.

Seriously what time was there to plan? Tony was on Titan ready to deal with Thanos himself, Steve was on Earth having to deal with Thanos’ Goddamn army on Wakanda’s doorstep.

I call False Equivalence or whatever’s the right word.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 8th 2019 at 12:57:12 PM

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#111056: Oct 8th 2019 at 1:00:45 AM

[up]They could have destroyed Vision, which was the plan Vision himself said it, he said not because he want to stand and fight and....well....it happen.

Also, Cap should have know Thanos itself was coming, maybe not with the gem but it wasnt like he didnt expect it, but Cap have never being much of a pro active fighter, he just did waht it was best, stand and fight.

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#111057: Oct 8th 2019 at 1:08:53 AM

Arguably Tony also bears the blame in he chose not to return to Earth and reinforce his team with Cap’s, so the lack of “together” is on him too. But it’s debatable whether that would’ve really helped especially since the Guardians wouldn’t be there.

We can just say it’s Thor’s fault for taking his time for some reason while Thanos killed Vision. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 8th 2019 at 1:11:18 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#111058: Oct 8th 2019 at 1:42:42 AM

Cap is pretty much a heroic guy version of an uncompromising zealot.

With all the good and bad that comes with it.

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#111059: Oct 8th 2019 at 2:01:33 AM

[up][up]Yeah.....what the hell was doing Thor in that moment? he show up, the kills some mooks and them....fly up.

Also, I just watch the movie a few days ago and I forgot how much I love Oyoke look when banner tip the hulk buster and fall, you can see that look is like "T´challa, your friend are embarrasing!" I luagh a lot for some reason.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111060: Oct 8th 2019 at 4:04:11 AM

Guys. Nobody's in the wrong in Infinity War. Wanda does kill Vision and it makes no difference. It's possible to be in the right and still lose. It happened to both Steve and Tony.

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Oh, bother.
#111061: Oct 8th 2019 at 4:10:59 AM

It's possible that if they had destroyed it much earlier, Thanos wouldn't have been able to easily reverse time to restore it.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111063: Oct 8th 2019 at 5:53:41 AM

The moment Thanos revealed he can reverse time with the Time Stone completely totaled any plan of destroying Vision long before he got there.

If he can turn back time for a few seconds then logically he should be able to do it for far longer.

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#111064: Oct 8th 2019 at 5:54:34 AM

If he can reverse time why didn't he try to save Titian

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#111065: Oct 8th 2019 at 5:57:33 AM

Strange has no ability to influence whether or not the Earth team kills Vision. By the time he reviews possible futures, he's already on Titan.

So from his position, the Earth team's actions are set in stone. He has a tiny window of opportunity to enact changes to the Titan fight before he dies in like an hour's time.

That's kinda the thing about Strange's pronouncement. By the time he does it, it's too late to make a lot of choices that might have given them better odds.

Maybe if Loki hadn't taken the Tesseract from Molten Asgard, they'd have a better shot. But it's too late to make that choice.

Maybe if Tony and Strange had gone back to Earth, they'd have better odds. But it's too late to make that choice.

Maybe if Cap had agreed to Vision's sacrifice, they could win. But it's too late to make that choice.

Maybe if Gamora had gone with Thor instead of the Guardians, they could win the Titan fight. But it's too late to make that choice.

It's too late to build more Ultrons. It's too late for the Avengers not to fracture. It's too late to send sorcerers to reinforce Wakanda. It's too late to intercept Thanos at Xandar before he gets his hands on the Power Gem. For any possible "out" on their situation, it's too late.

Strange sat down to finish someone else's strategy game and found their team was two turns away from being completely wiped out. And now he's save-scumming to figure out any possible way to make a comeback in the utterly disadvantageous position his colleagues have played themselves into. That's why there's only one desperate way out that he can find; for all intents and purposes, they're already in checkmate.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 8th 2019 at 7:18:22 AM

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#111066: Oct 8th 2019 at 6:34:17 AM

Strange's "one chance" action on Titan is to trade the Time Stone for Tony's life. That's what saves everything, because it means Tony is alive to do the thing he does in Endgame. Well, and he's alive to perfect time travel, etc. It's amazing how much ends up riding on his shoulders.

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#111067: Oct 8th 2019 at 6:51:00 AM

In Thor’s defense, he doesn’t have any communication device. He shows up at the big battle part way through and changes the tide but he doesn’t get the call that Corvus Glaive and then Thanos are behind lines.

He probably only shows up when he does because he noticed everyone vanished on him

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#111068: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:00:51 AM

So no one’s in the wrong in Infinity War, even Thanos?

The legend has returned.
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#111069: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:01:31 AM

Nobody on the good guy's side they mean

Obviously Thanos is wrong

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#111070: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:03:28 AM

Thor showed up when he did because that was when he finished Stormbreaker. Although how he knew to go to Wakanda is beyond me. Thor's never even been to Wakanda. You'd think Avengers HQ would be his destination.

Maybe he did go to Avengers HQ and, like, a temp employee told him everyone went to Wakanda. And then they spent several minutes finagling with a map trying to figure out which part of Africa the secret nation's supposed to be in. Just getting the whole accounting department involved.

And then finally someone had the bright idea to call the Wakandan Embassy that King T'Challa built at the end of his film. But the embassy employees were like, "No, I am not giving out the coordinates of my secret country to Larry from Accounting." So Thor had to Bifrost over there to talk to them directly.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 8th 2019 at 8:04:13 AM

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#111071: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:05:28 AM

[up][up][up] Having the villain express a valid point, even if his solution to it is impractical (never mind horrifying), is not the same thing as "we are supposed to believe that he is morally right". The fact that we have to explain this is depressing.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 8th 2019 at 10:05:48 AM

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#111072: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:07:04 AM

I said that as a joke, I promise. I should have done the Humor Mode link for that.

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#111073: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:10:23 AM

And now I'm just imagining Thor popping into Wakanda like,

  • Thor: HEY GUYS I brought Starbu—
  • War rages around him
  • Thor: ...well. I guess it's time to bring on the day.

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#111074: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:11:20 AM

Its fine. Rocket are all the biscottis on the way

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#111075: Oct 8th 2019 at 7:11:26 AM

[up]x5: Is it possible the Asgardians did know about Wakanda? Unless the barrier is Heimdall-proof I can imagine them knowing and not really caring. But yeah, your point stands. Kinda assumed he was aiming for Thanos (or at least his forces) rather than the Avengers, though the question still ends how he knew. Maybe using the Bifrost gives something like ki-sensing?

Edited by Cross on Oct 8th 2019 at 10:13:09 AM


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