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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Wait I thought Ulysses wasn't 100% right. Like with that woman who Carol thought had an explosive suitcase.
This song needs more love.
He was right in a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy way. That woman was innocent....but after she was brutalized and imprisoned without trial, she became a terrorist hellbent on revenge against her captors.
Which is why the whole thing was so fucked up and Carol in the wrong imO. Create Your Own Villain en masse is basically the result of this Minority Report method.
Edited by Forenperser on Oct 6th 2019 at 10:26:53 AM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianCarol essentially bullied everyone into causing the predictions to happen.
Notably confronting Bruce with an entire army is what lead to the Hulk rampage only this time it was literally a revenant zombie Hulk rampaging.
And Carol had the gall to come to his funeral.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2019 at 1:27:41 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."The creepiest thing was probably the formation of these 'Cadets', basically Carols own personal teenage Ghestapo. God, I hated Becky St Jude.
But to get a little more on topic again: I haven't really been reading comics for about 3 years now. I just grew tired of it.
For me, the MCU is pretty much the perfect version of the Marvel universe by now. Mainly because things have actual consequences there. People age, people change, people die. In stark contrast to the stale Status Quo Is God of the comics.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianWhich didn't work either because it turns out the Hulk is immortal, but that's a whole other story.
The worst Marvel crossover is probably The Crossing, which...didn't make any sense at all and was filled with the worst of the '90s.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 6th 2019 at 1:47:20 AM
Fifty superheroes is packing light for a possible Hulk encounter
I commend Carol on her restraint
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAs an example of how poorly written CW 2 was, this is the inciting incident that kicks off the story:
Ulysses predicts that Thanos will attack Project Pegasus to steal the Tesseract Cosmic Cube. He shows up exactly when and where he was predicted, and the superheroes are able to dogpile on his face and overpower him. However, during the fighting, Thanos kills Rhodey and injures She-Hulk.
Team Carol, who are the bad guys, say that Thanos could have caused untold damage if left unchecked. They think that Ulysses's future-prediction abilities should be leveraged to prevent similar disasters from occurring in the future.
Team Stark, who are the good guys, say that Rhodey died and that makes Ulysses bad. Ulysses got Rhodey killed so future-prediction is bad and wrong.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Civil War II is basically just Tony have an extended nervous breakdown. Brian Michael Bendis, who wrote CWII, is much better at writing two characters just talking to each other than a big huge crossover where everybody is supposed to fight everyone else. For example, the Iron Man issue where both Tony and Carol go to an AA meeting and end up having an honest conversation
is great. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually do anything to the main story. Neither one of them gives up on their plans and the only reason the conflict ends is because Ulysses is recruited by the goddamn embodiment of the universe to become something different.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:27:04 AM
And also because Carol kills Tony in a direct shot-for-shot reference to Thanos killing Rhodey.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:28:02 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Basically, Carol "wins" Civil War II in the sense that she's the one still standing when the dust settles, but you're still supposed to hate her for being bad and wrong. The comic compares her to both Nazis and Thanos. And much like Tony in CWI, Carol goes on to be shat on by every comic afterwards.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:32:02 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The best thing in Civil War II is that Tony blew up Steve and then went “look what you did!” at Carol
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAlso, it was later revealed that CWII was exacerbated by Hydra Cap, who decided he didn't want Ulysses on the field, so he sent a letter to Banner about some anti-gamma research that ended up...re-gammizing him? Or something? Anyway, Hydra Cap basically screwed everything up by just sending a letter, which caused Hawkeye to kill Banner.
I remember that.
Shit like that is what makes it difficult to critique event comics, because other writers are constantly throwing their own Fix Fics into the mix both during and even years after the fact - some of which only serve to actually make problems worse.
This was especially true back in the Quesada days of the original CW, since Quesada's editorial philosophy was that everyone should just write whatever the f*ck they want and not worry about how it connects to the other stuff being written.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:44:52 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I feel like this is pointing to an underlying problem in superhero comic books. Events where the heroes fight each other are big and exciting, so they get written (Civil War, A v X, Civil War 2). But if the heroes are continually getting in fights with one another, are they really heroic?
The Civil War movie worked for me because 1) the scale was comparatively limited and 2) the movie ended with the leaders of both sides recognizing that they were wrong.
Pretty much the one good thing to come out of Civil War II was that a ton of superheroes decided that they had it with this hero vs hero crap. Laura Kinney (who was the All-New Wolverine at the time) told them to leave her out of it. The Champions formed when Kamala and other younger heroes grew disillusioned about the Avengers.
Technically it was a permanent coma. Tony had to build himself a brand new body
And then had existential angst about whether he was human anymore
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

Don't even get me started on Civil War 2 and Carol.
Her comparing Magneto, a holocaust survivor, to a Godwins Law internet troll was the height of tastelesness.
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