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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#110801: Oct 4th 2019 at 12:07:43 AM

Well, teenage girl. Still, yes, there could be more.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#110802: Oct 4th 2019 at 12:17:54 AM

[up][up] Then's what's Tony's deal? He seems to be capable of doing literally anything.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#110803: Oct 4th 2019 at 12:21:22 AM

The way I see it, Shuri is the intellectual equivalent of Unskilled, but Strong. She is clearly smart but still has a lot to learn. People like Tony and Bruce are more experienced even if they aren't as smart as her.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 4th 2019 at 12:34:39 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110804: Oct 4th 2019 at 12:22:21 AM

Tony's an engineer so he's a bit more adaptable compared to Bruce who's a radiation specialist.

[up] The young shall eat the old as they say.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2019 at 12:22:44 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#110805: Oct 4th 2019 at 12:23:14 AM

Even inventing time travel in a single restless night.

I kinda assume he had, like, access to Pym's quantum tunnel schematics to examine and build upon, or something, because it's a little too silly otherwise.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#110806: Oct 4th 2019 at 1:00:14 AM

Creating Power Levels with intellect is a fools game to begin with. Shuri grew up in a society that had access to a certain mineral that revolutionized their technology compared to the rest of the world. If we took Isaac Newton and gave him time to acclimate to the present day, would his intelligence be equally revolutionary? The average teenage gearhead would be a Da Vinci 500 years ago.

In terms of the technology and resources Shuri has access to, she probably has the edge over Tony but considering the technology level Tony was working with (in a cave... with a box of scraps) it's hard to say what Tony could do with their unique scientific fields. Given he introduced nanotech armor about the same time Shuri did, who knows if there is a connection.

Edited by KJMackley on Oct 4th 2019 at 1:02:48 AM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#110807: Oct 4th 2019 at 2:59:14 AM

I doubt there is a connection.

Ever since the Mark I, the trend in Tony's designs was to streamline and miniaturize the armor.

First with the folding suitcase armor, then the auto-locking armors used the first two Avengers and by Rhodey since IM3, then making them modular, composed of increasingly smaller interchangeable parts.

Even his everyday clothing shifted to designs that facilitated armor deployment.

And Tony doesn't have access to vibranium so the visual aspect of his nanotechnology is quite different than that of Wakanda.

Wakanda had been cut from the world for so long that the outside world was starting to catch up to their technological edge.

Tony spearheaded the race to catch up.

Edited by MrSeyker on Oct 4th 2019 at 3:01:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110808: Oct 4th 2019 at 3:05:34 AM

I think that's the difference between Tony & Shuri & by extension Wakanda.

Vibranium already gives Wakanda an advantage but their isolation prevents them from experiencing problems that would force them to advance & adapt until of course recent events.

Tony starting from being trapped in the cave has been given constant incentive. The never ending threats to his life causes him to always be tinkering, to create, always adapting for the next possible threat as well as most likely assimilating the tech from his defeated foes. Tony single-handily caught up to Wakanda through pure drive.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2019 at 3:08:07 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110809: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:00:15 AM

It really helps Wakanda that MCU vibranium has such a wide range of applications.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#110810: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:07:30 AM

So which is a more valuable resource in Marvel: vibranium or adamantium?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#110811: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:11:00 AM

Vibranium, since adamantium is not actually a different metal. It's an alloy of iron and vibranium.

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#110812: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:20:32 AM

Probably vibranium because it has more applications, it’s nearly as durable, and it’s much more monopolized

Adamantium is a lot easier to obtain

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#110813: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:20:45 AM

Vibranium is always the most valuable and useful of the two, but comic Vibranium doesn't really have as wide an application as its movie variant.

Adamantium is an alloy that was discovered trying to replicate the formula of Cap's vibranium shield. Its easier to come about than Wakandan vibranium, but its properties make it really hard to process (the alloys must be kept separate at high temperature, and once mixed you have mintues to mold it into whatever before it solidifies).

The Vibranium alloy in Cap's shield is way better, but the formula has never been replicated.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110814: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:22:00 AM

Comics vibranium does have a Vibro Weapon nature going for it, making it able to cut through even adamantium. And then there's Antarctic Vibranium, which has the ability to dissolve any metal.

The comics also have different kinds of adamantium. True adamantium, the stuff bonded to Wolverine's skeleton, is almost as unbreakable as comics Captain America's shield. The tradeoff is that it's nearly impossible to manipulate. Secondary adamantium is cheaper and more malleable but it's also weaker though still very hard to break.

Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:27:23 PM

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#110815: Oct 4th 2019 at 8:55:46 AM

I wonder if we'll ever find real world Equivalents of both?

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123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#110816: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:01:38 AM

Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are 'Not Cinema' And More Like 'Theme Parks'.

To which I say: Aren't movies in general like roller coasters? You know with the rising action, climax, falling action, etc.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110817: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:04:07 AM

[up][up]MCU Vibranium has so many Green Rocks properties that it's pretty much impossible. Heck, even the comics vibranium's properties are straight up scifi territory that we'll almost certainly never see in real life.

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#110818: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:05:41 AM

[up][up] Well, man. Now that Scorsese has chimed in, I suddenly realize how meaningless and inconsequential all of the MCU films were, and I'm only going to watch art films from now on. He's won me over. /sarcasm

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#110819: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:08:00 AM

[up]Who is he, anyway?

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#110820: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:09:27 AM

An Oscar winning film director with a huge chip on his shoulders

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#110821: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:11:53 AM

It's weird that he says that because isn't Goodfellas just as quippy?

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#110822: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:25:38 AM

A bit rich coming from Scorsese, considering he directed Hugo, a film celebrating the life and accomplishment of Georges Méliès, who was pretty much the father of Special Effects and spectacles in films.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#110823: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:37:29 AM

Not surprising, really. Scorsese's entire filmography is drama or thriller, with maybe 2 actual 'feel-good' films in the last 40+ years. Of course he is going to view other movies through a lens of what he has been doing his entire life, and find it wanting.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110824: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:43:27 AM

I honestly have no problem saying that most MCU films (and most superhero films in general, really) are shallow.

But so what? A film, above anything else, has to entertain me. And the MCU does this better than any "deep" true art movie ever could.

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