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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The way I see it, Shuri is the intellectual equivalent of Unskilled, but Strong. She is clearly smart but still has a lot to learn. People like Tony and Bruce are more experienced even if they aren't as smart as her.
Edited by windleopard on Oct 4th 2019 at 12:34:39 PM
Creating Power Levels with intellect is a fools game to begin with. Shuri grew up in a society that had access to a certain mineral that revolutionized their technology compared to the rest of the world. If we took Isaac Newton and gave him time to acclimate to the present day, would his intelligence be equally revolutionary? The average teenage gearhead would be a Da Vinci 500 years ago.
In terms of the technology and resources Shuri has access to, she probably has the edge over Tony but considering the technology level Tony was working with (in a cave... with a box of scraps) it's hard to say what Tony could do with their unique scientific fields. Given he introduced nanotech armor about the same time Shuri did, who knows if there is a connection.
Edited by KJMackley on Oct 4th 2019 at 1:02:48 AM
I doubt there is a connection.
Ever since the Mark I, the trend in Tony's designs was to streamline and miniaturize the armor.
First with the folding suitcase armor, then the auto-locking armors used the first two Avengers and by Rhodey since IM3, then making them modular, composed of increasingly smaller interchangeable parts.
Even his everyday clothing shifted to designs that facilitated armor deployment.
And Tony doesn't have access to vibranium so the visual aspect of his nanotechnology is quite different than that of Wakanda.
Wakanda had been cut from the world for so long that the outside world was starting to catch up to their technological edge.
Tony spearheaded the race to catch up.
Edited by MrSeyker on Oct 4th 2019 at 3:01:06 AM
I think that's the difference between Tony & Shuri & by extension Wakanda.
Vibranium already gives Wakanda an advantage but their isolation prevents them from experiencing problems that would force them to advance & adapt until of course recent events.
Tony starting from being trapped in the cave has been given constant incentive. The never ending threats to his life causes him to always be tinkering, to create, always adapting for the next possible threat as well as most likely assimilating the tech from his defeated foes. Tony single-handily caught up to Wakanda through pure drive.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2019 at 3:08:07 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Probably vibranium because it has more applications, it’s nearly as durable, and it’s much more monopolized
Adamantium is a lot easier to obtain
Forever liveblogging the AvengersVibranium is always the most valuable and useful of the two, but comic Vibranium doesn't really have as wide an application as its movie variant.
Adamantium is an alloy that was discovered trying to replicate the formula of Cap's vibranium shield. Its easier to come about than Wakandan vibranium, but its properties make it really hard to process (the alloys must be kept separate at high temperature, and once mixed you have mintues to mold it into whatever before it solidifies).
The Vibranium alloy in Cap's shield is way better, but the formula has never been replicated.
Comics vibranium does have a Vibro Weapon nature going for it, making it able to cut through even adamantium. And then there's Antarctic Vibranium, which has the ability to dissolve any metal.
The comics also have different kinds of adamantium. True adamantium, the stuff bonded to Wolverine's skeleton, is almost as unbreakable as comics Captain America's shield. The tradeoff is that it's nearly impossible to manipulate. Secondary adamantium is cheaper and more malleable but it's also weaker though still very hard to break.
Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:27:23 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedMartin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are 'Not Cinema' And More Like 'Theme Parks'
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To which I say: Aren't movies in general like roller coasters? You know with the rising action, climax, falling action, etc.
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MCU Vibranium has so many Green Rocks properties that it's pretty much impossible. Heck, even the comics vibranium's properties are straight up scifi territory that we'll almost certainly never see in real life.
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Well, man. Now that Scorsese has chimed in, I suddenly realize how meaningless and inconsequential all of the MCU films were, and I'm only going to watch art films from now on. He's won me over. /sarcasm
A bit rich coming from Scorsese, considering he directed Hugo, a film celebrating the life and accomplishment of Georges Méliès, who was pretty much the father of Special Effects and spectacles in films.
I honestly have no problem saying that most MCU films (and most superhero films in general, really) are shallow.
But so what? A film, above anything else, has to entertain me. And the MCU does this better than any "deep" true art movie ever could.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Exactly. "Are you not entertained?"

Well, teenage girl. Still, yes, there could be more.