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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#110651: Sep 30th 2019 at 11:17:03 PM

That seems like a major oversimplification, but I can’t really do anything to disprove it at this time.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110652: Sep 30th 2019 at 11:19:03 PM

Shows like My Hero Academia & One-Punch Man have heroes hired by the government so they actually are the law.

Also Tiger & Bunny I recall though it also had a heavy corporate influence due to every hero having a sponsor.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 30th 2019 at 11:19:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#110653: Oct 1st 2019 at 12:34:01 AM

Oh Jesus fucking Christ, here we ago again.

My various fanfics.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#110654: Oct 1st 2019 at 4:50:26 AM

Late to this but I also think age of Ultron is seriously flawed. I didn't hate it the first time watching but it has some major problems that just get worse on recollection.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#110655: Oct 1st 2019 at 5:41:21 AM

I really wanted to find a flaw in this film. I couldn't find legitimate ones.

I don't do this as an intent to spew hate on this movie, BTW.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Oct 1st 2019 at 3:42:15 PM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#110656: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:06:38 AM

Speaking of Captain Marve, I remember that there was a controversy in Rotten Tomatoes because it was considered that many members of the audience voted the movie without having seen it, or created multi-accounts to vote negatively.

This caused some censorship, and many users complained.

What I do not understand is because people create multi-accounts, their opinion is not worth 5 times more, just for having voted 5 times.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110657: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:16:38 AM

[up][up] And that's why you read reviews. They give you the right words to say. tongue

Its like what Teddy said in the critics episode of Bob's Burgers. He finally got the words to describe that feeling he gets when eating burgers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#110658: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:19:42 AM

[up]*6The Boys also have examples of "Superheroes" who work with the government. (Although in this case they are villains with good publicity)

Although the reason why the register does not work in Marvel, is because the government of that world is so incompetent that in less than two months, the super villains would have already stolen the files with the identies.

That is, they are the same idiots who gave Norman Osborn almost absolute power.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 1st 2019 at 6:24:25 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#110659: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:30:27 AM

Albeit in the case of The Boys the "heroes" don't technically work directly for the Government as much as they are hired help from a megacorp who are (nominally) working with the government (but also with their own agenda.) Which frankly, seems like it would be the logical real life outcome if someone really were to come up with super powers directly from a bottle/syringe as is the case in The Boys. Heroes would become a commodity like any other.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#110660: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:38:43 AM

[up]The heroes of One Punch Man also do not work directly for the government, but for a multi-million dollar company.

In Boku No Hero Academy I don't remember.

I think the number of heroes who work directly for the government is very small.

Even many "legal" heroes "work with" and not "work for" the government.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 1st 2019 at 6:43:00 AM

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#110661: Oct 1st 2019 at 6:52:38 AM

Speaking of Captain Marve, I remember that there was a controversy in Rotten Tomatoes because it was considered that many members of the audience voted the movie without having seen it, or created multi-accounts to vote negatively.

This caused some censorship, and many users complained.

What I do not understand is because people create multi-accounts, their opinion is not worth 5 times more, just for having voted 5 times.

IIRC the film amassed tens of thousands of negative User reviews before release date. Rotten Tomatoes has never prevented people from leaving User reviews for films that hadn't yet come out before. It's one of those, "Didn't think about it because why would you need that?" type of things.

The Captain Marvel debacle revealed why you would need that, and RT changed their system as a result to prevent pre-release Users reviews from being posted.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 1st 2019 at 7:52:45 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#110662: Oct 1st 2019 at 7:58:06 AM

The heroes in My Hero Academia are like government contractors

They don’t directly get a salary from the government, they get paid kinda like commission on every crime stopped (which of course absolutely incentivizes heroes to “kill steal”) and often supplement that income by taking advertising jobs and selling their name and likenesses for products

Or something like that, I think. Hero agencies are run like businesses unto themselves

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 1st 2019 at 11:01:48 AM

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#110663: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:15:14 AM

Now that I think better about Avengers: Age of Ultron...

  • Yeah, nobody's concerned about:
    • A whole city is in the sky thanks to Ultron. Not even the landing is of concern for anyone.
    • Pietro's death, except for his sister Wanda and Clint.
    • Tony bringing to life an A.I. that causes worldwide chaos. And nobody punishes him at the end.
  • Everyone quips. And it's more important than anything. Actually, I didn't mind it, and I still don't. Because I don't bother myself too much with why.
  • I do like the moments between Bruce and Natasha.

I'm lowering Avengers: Age of Ultron to 8/10 as a result.

I also apologize to you for liking Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World and this film. It's because of me being more tolerant and open-minded to things that I have and/or experience.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#110664: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:20:50 AM

You don’t have to apologize for liking movies

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110666: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:24:25 AM

A whole city is in the sky thanks to Ultron. Not even the landing is of concern for anyone.
Huh? This was a concern for everybody. And Ultron didn't care about the landing — he was going to drop it like a meteor in order get an extinction-level event.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#110667: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:25:21 AM

[up]Thanks for the correction. And yeah, you're right.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#110668: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:25:28 AM

I literally just said this on the last page regarding a completely different topic. So I'll just repost and snip the pertinent parts to this topic.

You're welcome to your opinion....

...

Me, I don't like Avengers: Endgame. I think it's a terribly overrated film that made a lot of bad choices.

...

Like. It's okay to have unpopular opinions.

Just because other people don't agree with you about the subjective quality of a given thing, that doesn't mean you're wrong. Or that they're wrong. That's just how subjective things work.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 1st 2019 at 9:27:31 AM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#110669: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:25:51 AM

@Tiger and Bunny: Sponsored Televised heroics was also used to make people tone down the anti-NEXT bigotry as well.

Unsurprisingly the corporations CEO that started it all IS evil, and worked with T&B Illuminafi(Ouroboros) to get it off the ground, since getting NEXT acceptance was part of unknown goals. They aren't even subtle the frickin currency when gotten wet shows hidden Ouroboros logos.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 1st 2019 at 8:27:28 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110671: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:36:35 AM

It was still kinda silly that the impact of the city falling down was rendered completely harmless merely because it was detonated into smaller pieces.

These pieces alone should've caused massive damage.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#110672: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:41:47 AM

smol rudd

(also I agree with you being allowed to like things)

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 1st 2019 at 8:42:28 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#110673: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:42:47 AM

nObOdy cAres aBoUt aNtMan

[up]Honestly,I'm getting kinda irritated because it feel ss like they're fishing for sympathy

Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 1st 2019 at 3:44:25 PM

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#110674: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:46:29 AM

I still stand that the shot of Scott running alongside the ants in the training montage is one of the best scenes the MCU has. Fite me.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110675: Oct 1st 2019 at 8:46:32 AM

It was still kinda silly that the impact of the city falling down was rendered completely harmless merely because it was detonated into smaller pieces.
Not just smaller pieces — they blew the city into pretty much dust. That's why there was no impact. And even if they had been smaller pieces, depending on the size of those pieces, they would have had very little impact. Most of it would have probably been burned up in the atmosphere.


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