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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
And just like The Last Jedi, I'm just chilling over here not paying much mind to CM's hatebase and deeming it another highly enjoyable MCU entry that's also rather touching and wholesome when it needs to be.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Liked Last Jedi at first, but kinda soured on it later.
Liked how people harassed Rose's actress even less, and I don't care how bad the character is (because I agree the movie could have done without her). Last Jedi, and it's haters have more or less killed Star Wars for me (combined with all the shit that was done to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd, which I only learned about years later).
In contrast, I greatly enjoyed Captain Marvel. At worst I admit that the thing with Fury was kinda dumb, but it didn't totally ruin the film for me. I'm a little iffy on if she's really stronger than Thor at his best, but in the long run, there's literally nothing about the movie I flat out dislike.
Either way, screw the haters. Screw them all.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 30th 2019 at 6:59:23 AM
One Strip! One Strip!You're welcome to your opinion about Captain Marvel and The Last Jedi. But the people who try to say, "This movie was a franchise-killing bomb despised by everyone everywhere!" are completely and totally delusional. You can't make a billion dollars and be considered a bomb.
Me, I don't like Avengers: Endgame. I think it's a terribly overrated film that made a lot of bad choices. But you don't see me going, "CLEARLY the literally number one film in the world is a total bomb that everyone hated, and my conspiracy theory proves that all the positive reviews are FAAAAAAKE!"
Like. It's okay to have unpopular opinions.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I wasn't a huge fan of TLJ but while it left me wanting, the immense hatedom for it has gotten extremely tiresome, as have the rabid fans on the other side who in reverse try to argue that it's more genius or woke than it really is (I see much more of the former). I'm not a huge fan of Captain Marvel either, finding it pleasant but otherwise middle-of-the-road and also becoming tired of the superfans who celebrate its moderately progressive corporate feminist message as the wokest and queerest film of its kind ever, although the hatedom is filled with objectively worse types of people. They're both ~70% films for me.
Anyway, I'd argue that Thor The Dark World and Dr. Strange are the two films that come closest to being bad, and even then I'd argue that they'd actually be pretty good by superhero film standards had they come out ten years before they did. They're technically competent but suffer from dry and shallow scripting, offering little that other films don't do much better.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:11:57 AM
One issue I have with TLJ is that it basically made Luke into Kreia. Though at least he didn't try to actually do anything aside from be a hermit, while Kreia actively sought to find a way to cut off the Force, which could have had devastating consequences.
I guess the difference is that Luke was still at his core a Jedi who still gave a shit about other people, while Kreia was still at her core a Sith who didn't really give a shit about other people.
As for Captain Marvel, I was happy with what the movie did with the character. Especially since her history in comics has been really really bad.
Edited by M84 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:39:57 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedShes only that some of the times.
Other times she's a struggling alcoholic or the friend that everybody likes despite disliking her. Other times she is Every Decision I Make Is Terrible But I Don't Regret Beating Rogue Into a Coma.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThis was after Rogue absorbed her powers and memories, and left Carol with no emotional connection to her life.
This was also when Carol was Binary.
Rogue kinda sorta had it coming.
One Strip! One Strip!Superheroes often are. Something about declaring one's self to be the universal arbiter of true justice tends to produce some pretty arrogant personalities.
"But Drake! Superheroes follow the law and are just helping police by fighting the threats that they can't manage!"
No, they follow the laws they agree with. But every superhero inevitably runs up against laws they think are shit, whether in the form of their own country's laws or those of a foreign power. Very rarely does a superhero go, "Well, I don't agree with that, but it is the law." Standard operating procedure is to ignore the disagreeable laws and, in some extreme cases usually involving authoritarian foreign powers, violent insurrection against the legal authority.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Many laws should be questioned, and some laws are legit immoral.
But it is the point. Superheroes don't serve the law. They serve their own personal moral compass first, last, and only, and they work within the law when the law gels with that moral compass. They'll question everyone else, but they never question the idea that they, the superhero, are absolutely and always right.
And that tends to make every superhero come across as an egotistical asshole from time to time, especially when they conflict with other superheroes. End of the day, when two superheroes disagree, one of their infallible perfect moral compasses has to be wrong.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 30th 2019 at 12:03:46 PM
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-police sirens-
Sir,I'm going to have ask you stop that
have a listen and have a link to my discord server