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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#110626: Sep 30th 2019 at 4:37:26 PM

-police sirens-

Sir,I'm going to have ask you stop that

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110627: Sep 30th 2019 at 4:46:25 PM

[up]No! TO HELL WITH THE POLICE!

WOOP WOOP, THAT'S THE SOUND OF THE POLICE! WOOP WOOP, IT'S THE SOUND OF THE BEAST!

Anybody remember that song?

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#110628: Sep 30th 2019 at 5:07:50 PM

And just like The Last Jedi, I'm just chilling over here not paying much mind to CM's hatebase and deeming it another highly enjoyable MCU entry that's also rather touching and wholesome when it needs to be.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#110629: Sep 30th 2019 at 5:25:11 PM

I have pretty much the opposite reaction to both of those movies compared to a lot of people here. I think The Last Jedi is one of the better Star Wars movies and I think Captain Marvel is one of the lesser MCU movies in terms of quality.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#110630: Sep 30th 2019 at 5:51:34 PM

Liked Last Jedi at first, but kinda soured on it later.

Liked how people harassed Rose's actress even less, and I don't care how bad the character is (because I agree the movie could have done without her). Last Jedi, and it's haters have more or less killed Star Wars for me (combined with all the shit that was done to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd, which I only learned about years later).

In contrast, I greatly enjoyed Captain Marvel. At worst I admit that the thing with Fury was kinda dumb, but it didn't totally ruin the film for me. I'm a little iffy on if she's really stronger than Thor at his best, but in the long run, there's literally nothing about the movie I flat out dislike.

Either way, screw the haters. Screw them all.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 30th 2019 at 6:59:23 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110631: Sep 30th 2019 at 5:54:18 PM

Captain Marvel to me was a fairly enjoyable 90’s romp with likable characters, while in contrast, TLJ almost killed my love of Star Wars and it’s having me keep everything the franchise makes from now on at arm’s length. Also, only one had a cat.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 30th 2019 at 8:55:59 AM

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#110633: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:14:25 PM

You're welcome to your opinion about Captain Marvel and The Last Jedi. But the people who try to say, "This movie was a franchise-killing bomb despised by everyone everywhere!" are completely and totally delusional. You can't make a billion dollars and be considered a bomb.

Me, I don't like Avengers: Endgame. I think it's a terribly overrated film that made a lot of bad choices. But you don't see me going, "CLEARLY the literally number one film in the world is a total bomb that everyone hated, and my conspiracy theory proves that all the positive reviews are FAAAAAAKE!"

Like. It's okay to have unpopular opinions.

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#110634: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:15:37 PM

What human free will allows every possibly thought process.

Sure there will be majority similarities but there will still be enough differences.

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#110635: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:45:12 PM

What I mean is the MCU mostly has had goodwill from a good 80% of fans whereas Star Wars seemingly is at 70% to 65% positive.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110636: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:00:48 PM

[up]Excuse my tone but those numbers are from where exactly?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110637: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:03:41 PM

I wasn't a huge fan of TLJ but while it left me wanting, the immense hatedom for it has gotten extremely tiresome, as have the rabid fans on the other side who in reverse try to argue that it's more genius or woke than it really is (I see much more of the former). I'm not a huge fan of Captain Marvel either, finding it pleasant but otherwise middle-of-the-road and also becoming tired of the superfans who celebrate its moderately progressive corporate feminist message as the wokest and queerest film of its kind ever, although the hatedom is filled with objectively worse types of people. They're both ~70% films for me.

Anyway, I'd argue that Thor The Dark World and Dr. Strange are the two films that come closest to being bad, and even then I'd argue that they'd actually be pretty good by superhero film standards had they come out ten years before they did. They're technically competent but suffer from dry and shallow scripting, offering little that other films don't do much better.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:11:57 AM

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Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110638: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:32:17 PM

Dogwelder. Is he the hero we need?

Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 30th 2019 at 9:36:53 AM

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Oh, bother.
#110639: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:38:30 PM

One issue I have with TLJ is that it basically made Luke into Kreia. Though at least he didn't try to actually do anything aside from be a hermit, while Kreia actively sought to find a way to cut off the Force, which could have had devastating consequences.

I guess the difference is that Luke was still at his core a Jedi who still gave a shit about other people, while Kreia was still at her core a Sith who didn't really give a shit about other people.

As for Captain Marvel, I was happy with what the movie did with the character. Especially since her history in comics has been really really bad.

Edited by M84 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:39:57 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110640: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:43:07 PM

Oh yeah, the new take on her character wasn't the kind to make me extremely excited but they certainly established a fairly comfortable baseline for future depictions to go off, not that it would be that hard to surpass the police state fascist she was in the comics.

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Funny but not helpful
#110641: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:44:39 PM

Shes only that some of the times.

Other times she's a struggling alcoholic or the friend that everybody likes despite disliking her. Other times she is Every Decision I Make Is Terrible But I Don't Regret Beating Rogue Into a Coma.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110642: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:53:33 PM

[up] She punched Rogue hard enough to hit the moon. Even if it's not with Rogue, I kind of want to see someone do something like that in live-action.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 30th 2019 at 9:56:20 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#110643: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:54:53 PM

She Boros'd her?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110644: Sep 30th 2019 at 9:55:24 PM

That's hardcore.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#110645: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:03:05 PM

This was after Rogue absorbed her powers and memories, and left Carol with no emotional connection to her life.

This was also when Carol was Binary.

Rogue kinda sorta had it coming.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110646: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:27:14 PM

Comics Carol can still be a real bitch at times though.

Most notably during both Civil Wars where she acted downright fascist.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110647: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:45:00 PM

Let's not use gendered insults. And Alley already brought up the police state fascist characterization.

Edited by M84 on Oct 1st 2019 at 1:47:08 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110648: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:45:47 PM

Comics Carol can be a real dickhead.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110649: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:46:26 PM

She be an omega level douche.

And that's saying something since this is modern Marvel.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:48:13 AM

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#110650: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:59:47 PM

Superheroes often are. Something about declaring one's self to be the universal arbiter of true justice tends to produce some pretty arrogant personalities.

"But Drake! Superheroes follow the law and are just helping police by fighting the threats that they can't manage!"

No, they follow the laws they agree with. But every superhero inevitably runs up against laws they think are shit, whether in the form of their own country's laws or those of a foreign power. Very rarely does a superhero go, "Well, I don't agree with that, but it is the law." Standard operating procedure is to ignore the disagreeable laws and, in some extreme cases usually involving authoritarian foreign powers, violent insurrection against the legal authority.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Many laws should be questioned, and some laws are legit immoral.

But it is the point. Superheroes don't serve the law. They serve their own personal moral compass first, last, and only, and they work within the law when the law gels with that moral compass. They'll question everyone else, but they never question the idea that they, the superhero, are absolutely and always right.

And that tends to make every superhero come across as an egotistical asshole from time to time, especially when they conflict with other superheroes. End of the day, when two superheroes disagree, one of their infallible perfect moral compasses has to be wrong.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 30th 2019 at 12:03:46 PM

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