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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#110526: Sep 28th 2019 at 8:42:26 PM

It doesn't always work unfortunately. They tried to replicate its success with Iron Man 2 but it didn't really make the film much better.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110527: Sep 28th 2019 at 8:57:40 PM

It worked in the first Iron Man because the plot was pretty basic and while the dialogue was improvised in a lot of scenes, there are definitely scenes where it isn't. The dialogue was simply being written at the same time it was filmed, which is...not ideal. But it worked because of a lot of things, including the charisma of RDJ, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Jeff Bridges.

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#110528: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:07:39 AM

I think Stane is pretty okay, definitely one of the better early-MCU villains, but he's surpassed in Phase 1 by Loki, and he absolutely can't stand up to the streak of quality villains we've had ever since Spider-Man: Homecoming.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#110529: Sep 29th 2019 at 1:09:00 AM

Stane works partially because of Jeff Bridges charisma, but also because of his personal connection with Tony. Unlike the sequels where the villains have little direct connection to Tony, Stane was a direct part of his inner circle and benefited the most from his lack of interest in Stark Industries. Loki stood out in large part to being A) a compelling character B) a personal connection to the hero and C) surviving past the first film to have a continual impact on the overall universe. Compare to Hela, who is fun and charismatic but believes Thor is dead after the first act, or even Toomes, whose tangential connection to Peter is kept hidden until right before the climax, which (barring a return appearance) is not allowed to really explore that impact on him.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110531: Sep 29th 2019 at 1:56:30 AM

I never understood why people kept saying Iron Man 1 had a weak villain back in the day (hell, I remember there being a lot of it even in this thread). You could argue that he's Boring, but Practical on paper, but the "boring" part is taken care of by Bridges' performance. And Boring, but Practical works a far sight better than some of the more exotic but ultimately forgettable villains prior to Phase 3. Perhaps in comparison to comic book villains in other franchises, but as far as the MCU goes, I always felt he was not only passable but a downright good one.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 29th 2019 at 5:02:14 AM

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#110532: Sep 29th 2019 at 2:02:24 AM

Pour one out for Ultimo.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110533: Sep 29th 2019 at 2:57:53 AM

Huh well that art brings up a thought, anyone else think Ultron should have adopted a more typical face when he transcended to his final form, the big omega robot mode?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 29th 2019 at 2:58:49 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110534: Sep 29th 2019 at 4:25:55 AM

Honestly, I liked Ultron's design. The facial animation gave him a nice (in)human touch.

And his drones were kind of a Mythology Gag to his comic book design already.

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despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#110535: Sep 29th 2019 at 5:22:13 AM

Speaking of Age of Ultron, has anyone here heard Brian Tyler's unreleased soundtrack to the movie? Imagine a version of his main theme over the Portals song in Endgame.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#110536: Sep 29th 2019 at 11:20:29 AM

Stane was overshadowed by the Joker, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS aside.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#110537: Sep 29th 2019 at 11:49:19 AM

But now we live in a society!

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#110538: Sep 29th 2019 at 11:58:12 AM

And what do you know, Iron Man and Dark Knight both went on to disappointing sequels.

Although Iron Man at least got his whole post-trilogy stuff.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#110539: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:11:59 PM

But DKR had Baneposting so that is something. Also IM 2 gave us Black Widow.

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#110540: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:12:51 PM

Dark Knight's sequel is better then Iron man 2,on that much we can agree,therefore it's not really disappointing

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#110541: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:13:57 PM

Was DKR that disappointing? I mean, it wasn't as good as The Dark Knight, but that isn't saying much. I liked it.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#110542: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:16:19 PM

I actually disagree on The Dark Knight Rises being better than Iron Man 2. They both have a similar principle and problem (strong first 1/3 that then loses most of its steam), but I don't think Iron Man 2 falls as low as TDKR.

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#110543: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:52:58 PM

It's been years since I've seen TDKR, so maybe I would react a lot more unfavorably to it now, but at least at the time it came out I found it much less unsatisfying than IM 2.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110544: Sep 29th 2019 at 1:50:16 PM

I actually like Iron Man 2.

Iron Man 3 on the other hand....

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#110545: Sep 29th 2019 at 2:33:27 PM

Marvel supposedly looking for a Israeli actor for Moon Knight[1]

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#110546: Sep 29th 2019 at 2:45:40 PM

That's very good news.

While I dunno if I support it, someone in the comments suggested Andrew Garfield for the role, and some other idiots chimed in with "they said they wanted an Isreali actor, dummy". Now, while Garfield might hail from the US and England, he is actually Jewish.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 29th 2019 at 2:46:00 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#110547: Sep 29th 2019 at 3:10:58 PM

That is four films in 2021 something is moving

Th4r is the farthest out currently, so they could postpone it to early 2022 if need be. But given how successful Ragnarok was in 2017 in that time of year, they might wanna keep it there.

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 29th 2019 at 3:57:22 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#110548: Sep 29th 2019 at 3:20:05 PM

[up] Postpone it to early this year?

Are they going to bust out the time machine from Endgame again?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110550: Sep 29th 2019 at 3:58:56 PM

Huh so if Shang-Chi stays a Badass Normal then that means he's going up against a super-villain with 10 different superpowers depending on how the Mandarin's abilities are adapted.

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