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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110476: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:41:51 PM

After Jennier Lawrence's Mystique ended up undergoing Adaptational Heroism for the worst, I welcome a return to the evil Mystique like Rebecca Romijun once portrayed.

[up][up] Oh Hell yeah she is. Moxxi may be the town bicycle but at least she cares for her kids & hasn't tried to murder them.

Wait was she still Nightcrawler's mom in the movies?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 27th 2019 at 9:43:46 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110477: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:43:34 PM

The thing is, Mystique has always moved between being 100% villainous and, like, 50% villainous, 50% anti-hero. Hell, there was an entire book where she worked for Xavier as a black ops agent (of course, Xavier was blackmailing her into the role, but still). There was a period of time when she worked for the government; a period when she was a part of the X-Men themselves; and a period when she just generally did whatever she wanted. Hell, for all the "bad parenting" she's done with Rogue, ultimately, she was trying to be a good parent — just in her own selfish way (yes, she did try to seduce Gambit to prove to Rogue he was a terrible boyfriend, but then she also showed up at their wedding, giving them something old and something blue).

[up] There was no indication in either X2 or X-Men: Apocalypse that Mystique was Nightcrawler's mother. It was definitely another missed opportunity.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2019 at 9:44:32 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#110478: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:54:15 PM

I think the only Fox property to hint that Mystique was Kurt's mother was the video game adaptation of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, where she was pregnant with Wraith's child and he suggests they name him "Kurt". Obviously, it's non-canonical.

EDIT: I really must have had a brain fart when I claimed she was going to be Kurt's father. tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 28th 2019 at 11:01:30 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#110479: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:28:39 PM

Hell, for all the "bad parenting" she's done with Rogue, ultimately, she was trying to be a good parent — just in her own selfish way

Yeah, she tried to be a good parent and failed.

It's 2019. I could see it happening.
See what happening? Mystique and Destiny being a couple or Mystique being Kurt’s biological father?

A mentor figure, yeah. A father figure, no.
In One More Day (yes, I know), Peter tells Tony he was like a father to him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110480: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:35:12 PM

I think the only Fox property to hint that Mystique was Kurt's father

or Mystique being Kurt’s biological father?

...Mystique was Kurt's biological mother.

Where are people getting the idea that she was supposed to be his father?

Are they mixing Kurt (Nightcrawler) up with Anna Marie (Rogue)?

Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2019 at 2:36:10 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110481: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:50:30 PM

...Mystique was Kurt's biological mother.

Where are people getting the idea that she was supposed to be his father?

You missed a comment where someone explained that originally Mystique was going to be his biological father, with Destiny as his biological mother. Since Mystique is a shapeshifter, she could, you know, grow a, you know.

But Marvel obvious nixed that idea and it was later revealed that his biological father was Azazel. As for Rogue, she was adopted by Mystique after running away from her biological parents.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2019 at 11:52:07 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110482: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:53:09 PM

Upon further research, it seems that Kurt was indeed intended by Claremont to have Mystique as the biological father. Not Rogue though.

Comic Legends: Was Mystique Going to be Rogue's FATHER?

It was always Chris’ plan that Mystique and Irene Adler (Destiny) were lovers, and that Mystique at one point had transformed into a man and impregnated Destiny and she gave birth to Nightcrawler. So Mystique and Destiny were actually Nightcrawler’s father and mother.

Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2019 at 2:55:54 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#110483: Sep 28th 2019 at 10:56:54 AM

The issue with Mystique would be her powers. Fans would just see her as some blue Skrull if she doesn't have an interesting character.

Just Makima.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#110484: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:11:04 AM

[up]I wonder if Mystique ever encountered a Skrull. I don't think she was even present during the Secret Invasion event.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110485: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:23:35 AM

[up]Don’t think she encountered the Dire Wraiths either, which is really strange since ROM was responsible for Rogue’s Heel–Face Turn.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110486: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:25:25 AM

[up] Wait, what? I thought absorbing Carol Danvers' memories caused her Heel–Face Turn.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110487: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:32:38 AM

[up]I believe that cemented it, but she was sent to absorb ROM’s power but given he was a cyborg, what she ended up absorbing was his emotions, namely ROM’s morality and Thou Shall Not Kill ethos.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#110488: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:35:46 AM

[nja], but here's the panels.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 28th 2019 at 2:37:30 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110489: Sep 28th 2019 at 11:37:27 AM

Have I mentioned how much of a shame it is Marvel can’t use ROM considering how epic the stories involving him were and how...not the IDW run was? Marvel IIRC tried launching a Spaceknights series independent of ROM (where the lead kinda looked like Tekkaman Blade, who also is called “Space Knight”) but it didn’t take.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 28th 2019 at 2:40:58 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110490: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:18:48 PM

I don't know why IDW doesn't just partner with Marvel to reprint all of the ROM stories.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#110491: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:19:26 PM

Who the heck is ROM?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110492: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:22:18 PM

[up]ME!

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110493: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:25:12 PM

ROM Spaceknight. Alien permanently sealed in a suit of Powered Armor hunting down evil shapeshifting alien wizards on Earth.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110494: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:32:56 PM

[up]x4 - Because Hasbro sees ROM as a lynchpin if their Shared Universe attempts despite IDW ROM not selling and the failure of the comics to reverse IDW’s fortunes.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#110495: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:34:11 PM

> ME!

no your Arms Fall off Boy

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 28th 2019 at 7:34:23 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#110496: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:39:14 PM

I have been hearing IDW's in trouble. They just rebooted their iconic Transformers comic too. At least the old continuity got an actual end.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110497: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:51:57 PM

IDW tried making a comic expanded universe comprised of old school action cartoons Transformers, G.I. Joe, Rom. Micronauts, M.A.S.K., Action Man, etc.

The problem is most of the audience does not know what the fuck most of those shows are.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110498: Sep 28th 2019 at 12:57:57 PM

[up]More importantly, they all mixed together like oil and water. The disjointed, disconnected pieces left idle franchises in their wake (the only GI Joe comic people care about is Larry Hama’s continuation of the MARVEL continuity, MASK is a non-entity to the point the toy re-releases retcon them into being Joes and Cobras, Micronauts like ROM was only interesting in the hands of the House of Ideas, etc) and decreasing sales.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#110499: Sep 28th 2019 at 1:26:34 PM

So, I've heard it right that the webhead is staying in the MCU and appear in Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters?note 

"Scooby Dooby Doo!"
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110500: Sep 28th 2019 at 1:31:43 PM

Just for one more film, but enough to send him off on a better note than it would otherwise.


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