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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#110401: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:34:51 AM

Venom 2 will paint the picture

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110402: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:54:03 AM

Yeah, it's probably too late to do anything with Morbius, but I doubt anyone's looking forward to that anyway. Meanwhile, Venom 2 hasn't started filming yet, so maybe that will be the true test. (Or maybe I'm wrong and Morbius will be what makes or breaks the SUMC.)

Speaking of, I swallowed the pill and saw some of Venom's fight scenes with Riot and...they're not so bad.

It's brutal, chaotic, and goopy, all three things that describe Venom himself.

Hopefully, Feige will be able to work his magic on Venom 2 and maybe finally get him that big white chest spider. Maybe? Please?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 27th 2019 at 2:55:28 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#110403: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:07:22 PM

This Venom has absolutely no reason whatsoever to have the spider symbol though. He's never met Spider-Man. He's never even MENTIONED Spider-Man. He's got no reason to suddenly start looking more like Spider-Man.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110404: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:07:42 PM

From the articles I've read, part of the deal is that Spider-Man will not just appear in MCU movies, but also SUMC movies. (That's "Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters," which is a way less catchy initialism than MCU.) I think what probably clinched the deal is Disney allowing Tom Holland to appear — or even be a main character — in Venom 2, especially since the movie is being directed by someone that Disney has worked with before.

So now the situation will be that Marvel and Sony will have their own separate universes...but Holland's Spider-Man will appear in both, which is a pretty neat compromise. They probably won't use any Spider-Man villains as recurring MCU villains (so no Norman Osborn "Dark Reign"-type story), but if you squint, you could possibly see it all as one universe.

By the way, the best part about all this is Tom Holland's response.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:35:14 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#110405: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:36:45 PM

@Lord Vatek: Kamala doesn't strike me as leader material.

Why not Miles, or Spider-Gwen?

[up]If only the name was "Sony's Universe of Comic Characters", or SUCC.

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#110406: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:39:02 PM

[up][up]Hey, Holland's too young for that language!

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#110407: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:39:12 PM

Kamala leads the Champions in the comics book.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110409: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:43:16 PM

Wait so Holland's gonna be appearing in 2 separate franchises?

Good God have we really come that long the way from when Batman characters couldn't appear in the Justice League cartoon cause the concurrently running The Batman was using them?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110410: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:43:51 PM

This Venom has absolutely no reason whatsoever to have the spider symbol though. He's never met Spider-Man. He's never even MENTIONED Spider-Man. He's got no reason to suddenly start looking more like Spider-Man.

Maybe Spider-Man's heroic nature inspires Venom to keep being a hero and he (Venom) adopts the Spider Symbol as a sign of respect?

Or maybe the Symbiote hangs out with Peter after something happens to Eddie and the Symbiote sort of gets the Spider symbol from there?

Possibilities are limitless!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#110411: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:44:31 PM

They could use the dragon version of the symbol

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#110412: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:44:42 PM

[nja]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:45:27 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110413: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:46:41 PM

Anything to give him some white on his chest to break up the black.

Without the spider symbol Venom's color coordination was ruined.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:53:50 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#110414: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:52:16 PM

If the Venom movies make it to three, I’d like them to use some of the Knull evil space god of symbiotes stuff

Maybe some of the klyntar but better stuff too

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#110415: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:52:18 PM

Venom 2, the Fashion Police come after Venom for daring to wear solid black, and at the climax of the movie he gets the white symbol on his chest and the manhunt is called off.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#110416: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:53:24 PM

Probably posted this before (but hey, this thread does tend to move in circles), but I think it would be really funny to play Venom in the MCU in the way that Wolverine sometimes is in other comics (thinking of Ms. Marvel), coupled with that arc where the Punisher was hunting Spider-Man (adapted for the 90's animated series).

Essentially, play him as this Bad Butt who is implied to be a killer, and play up the humorous contrast with Peter, including when they ultimately bond.

I really like that idea of Venom then adopting the spider symbol himself.

Since Sonyverse Venom isn't a bad guy to begin with (and since at least right now, Eddie in the comics is pretty sane and heroic), it wouldn't make sense to turn him into Spider-Man's arch-enemy.

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#110417: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:57:09 PM

I wonder if it would be a way to have Holland become Sony Spider Man while Disney can arrange to have Miles step up

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#110418: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:01:19 PM

I'd like that too.

Also, had a thought RE that Sinister Six suggestion (which I think is great):

Since MCU Aaron Davis seems to be partly a composite with Hobbie Brown (and as it is, Davis is more sympathetic in both Spiderverse and some of his recent comic appearances than he was in the original Ultimate comics), I definitely think it makes sense to have him do a Heel–Face Turn.

So, with that said, I'm imagining him doing a Good Costume Switch either from the Prowler costume to Davis' version of the Iron Spider costume. Or maybe vice versa. Kind of imagining a Prowler costume that looks more like Blade's Spider Hero costume.

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#110419: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:03:10 PM

I imagine the answer is no because the movie rights of Spider Man include Miles

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#110420: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:14:03 PM

Better idea might be to leave Holland/Peter Parker to the MCU and establish Miles in Sony's new verse.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#110421: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:18:35 PM

[up]I'd prefer the reverse, tbh.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#110422: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:23:02 PM

I'd agree but we already have Holland as Peter established in the MCU, since Sony is so darn determined to have their own Spider Verse why not just start with Miles?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#110423: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:25:15 PM

I'd not want Miles & Peter to be independent of each other.

The mentorship between the two is a really great relationship.

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#110424: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:58:26 PM

TWO spidermen you say?

which one is the clone

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#110425: Sep 27th 2019 at 2:00:22 PM

MCU gets Peter and Miles, Sony can just have... I dunno, who is the worst, least-interesting Spider-Man nobody will miss having in the MCU?

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