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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#110376: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:35:11 AM

Ah ha...somebody blinked! My guess is Marvel is not going to cliff hanger the third film JUST IN CASE

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110377: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:35:50 AM

Well, at least we'll finally see that adaption of One More Day.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#110378: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:36:05 AM

Well, it's good that cliffhanger will be resolved then.

Looking at the article, the deal now is that Disney gets 25% of the profits instead of the 50% they were asking for. That's an improvement, but still significantly higher then the original deal where Disney got 5%. I'm still not entirely okay with this arrangement, since Disney started this whole mess by being greedy in the first place. I think I'd be okay with a 10% cut or something, but I know corporations don't think that way.

But the lessons to take away from this debacle are a) Spider-Man's simply being loaned to the MCU, he's not a permanent resident, b) the Mouse House will get what it wants because it has more influence and power, and c) this will happen again. I know these seems a bit of a pessimistic look on things, but this has shown that the Sony-Disney deal is a precarious one. Don't be surprised five years down the line when Disney asks for a bigger slice of the pie, even if it already got a quarter. Until Disney outright buys the Spider-Man film rights, this deal is being held together with chewing gum and wishes.

But yay, Spidey's back!

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110379: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:42:53 AM

The songs in my head right now:

grin[awesome]grin[awesome]grin[awesome]

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#110380: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:43:35 AM

I actually do think Disney needs to be fed some humble pie in its quest to buy the rights to ALL THE THINGS.

Leaving us off on that odious cliffhanger and forcing the rest of the MCU to backflip through hoops to explain what happened to Spidey was exactly the wrong way to do it, though.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110381: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:45:54 AM

I agree that Disney got off too lightly for this, but they still got a little bruising in the process and at least there's a chance for them to close off Spidey's story on a more dignified note for narrative's sake before Sony takes everything else home.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#110383: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:49:39 AM

This is great news in my book. My guess is that this is very much a one movie deal meant to close out the MCU Spider-Man trilogy. Which is fine by me, since it means they can resolve the cliffhangers from FFH and leave Spider-Man in a stable place at the end of the third movie.

I don't really care for debates about who is more at fault for the negotiations being as troubled as they were. I mostly attribute it to the simple fact that both companies are for-profit entities and neither side had an especially strong profit motive for continuing the deal.

Nevertheless, the people involved are human beings, and while there wasn't a strong profit motive for continuing the deal, neither company is likely to lose money and it avoids any negative publicity assosiated with the breakup.

I pretty much dismiss any theory that the controversy was faked. While some of the leaks were probably inaccurate, neither side benefits from behind-the-scenes drama being aired in public.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110384: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:53:01 AM

(Crosses fingers for One More Day Adaptation)

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#110385: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:55:44 AM

Aww, I wanted to see Ms. Marvel take Spider-Man's place as the best teenage superhero.

Unsurprising though. It was just a matter of time.

This song needs more love.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#110386: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:55:48 AM

[up][up]You’ll sooner see Rom: Spaceknight. Not awful ROM (IDW), the real ROM.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 27th 2019 at 11:56:19 AM

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#110387: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:00:49 AM

[up][up] She’s getting a show, unless ghost rider was just the first to be cancelled

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#110388: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:07:56 AM

[up]I know but I wanted her to be the main member of whatever the New Avengers will end up being. Now it will probably just be Spider-Man.

This song needs more love.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110389: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:14:32 AM

So it looks like Spidey is staying for at least (for now, a new contract seems inevitable) one more Spider-Movie and one MCU movie.

I'm tempted to think that one MCU movie is New/Young Avengers where he buds up with Kamala, Kate Bishop, and so on, but I'm not going to push it.

I also want to think it's a team-up with Deadpool, but again, not going to push it.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:14:43 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#110390: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:36:59 AM

Yeah, right now all I want is a movie that resolves the cliffhanger from Far From Home and gives Peter proper closure should this be his final film.

And have Kraven as the villain. I'd like to see that as well.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#110391: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:41:21 AM

I personally want Rhino to get his shot because out of all the Spidey movie villains, he was by far the most underused.

The legend has returned.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#110392: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:44:47 AM

Kraven The Hunter as played by The Rock. Make it happen Sony / Disney.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110393: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:44:53 AM

[up][up][up], [up][up]: Why not both? grin

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:45:05 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#110394: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:49:33 AM

> (Crosses fingers for One More Day Adaptation)

Cloning saga!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#110395: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:49:39 AM

I'm hoping for a Sinister Six movie. So far, the movies have set up Prowler, Scorpion, and Chameleon in the background without doing anything with them, and that can be half of the Six right there. Just have Vulture, Shocker, or Tinkerer return and you only need to set up 1-2 more villains. Bonus points if Prowler turns good by the end.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#110396: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:49:52 AM

It’s like that “what would you do if it was your last day on Earth” except “what if it was the last spider man movie in the mcu”

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#110397: Sep 27th 2019 at 9:53:02 AM

[up][up] Plus, Mysterio might not be entirely dead...

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#110398: Sep 27th 2019 at 10:50:46 AM

After Marvel does their 3rd Spider-Man movie, and (if) the rights go back to Sony, I wonder if Sony will still continue making their own Spider-Man/Tom Holland films.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#110399: Sep 27th 2019 at 10:56:53 AM

[up] Assuming they don't just do this song and dance again?

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#110400: Sep 27th 2019 at 11:17:54 AM

They probably will, because $$$. After the debacle with James Gunn last year, I'm not really surprised things played out this way again


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