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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#110251: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:00:23 AM

blue rays never really sell that well anyway cos not everyone owns a blue ray player

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#110252: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:04:07 AM

It pretty much drops the angle entirely, almost as though it didn't happen. Which, fine.

Endgame does that with a lot of things. It has that "New writer who dis?" sensation that one gets when the comic they've been reading suddenly changes hands and the new writer has zero interest in what the previous writer was doing with it. Or what other writers in the 616 are doing with the characters they share, for that matter.

Which is really weird 'cause Endgame has the exact same creative team as Infinity War. So you wouldn't expect the kind of inconsistency it provides.

As for the R-Rated Panic

I'm having an awful lot of flashbacks to the discussions that took place when Disney originally purchased Marvel in the first place. This just became relevant again.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#110253: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:06:37 AM

[up] Okay that's not actually true.

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#110254: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:09:04 AM

How so?

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#110255: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:10:30 AM

Sounds like another stupid rumor from shitty clickbait-y """"""news""""""sites to throw on the pile.

That would usually be my reaction too. But what troubles me is, I heard about this on Google news, not a stupid Anti-SJW video. The article was basically saying that her blue ray sells were disappointing compared to Black Panther and Infinity War, and that Feige was hoping to get her to interact with Spider-Man, which isn't possible anymore now that... you know, Sony. As someone who like Captain Marvel, I am a bit concerned.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#110256: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:10:47 AM

Honestly, the only thing I feel is inconsistent between IW and Endgame is Thanos' characterization, and even then that is perfectpy justfiable by the fact that 2014!Thanos had yet to make the same sacrifices as his 2023 counterpart, so it makes sense he still follows his ideology with much more vigour.

[up]Probably an overreaction to some statement, Marvel got far too much money to be just dropped like that.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 26th 2019 at 10:12:11 AM

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#110257: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:11:22 AM

Much of any consequence of or potential to deal with the ins and outs of the individual Infinity Stones that was hinted at in IW - most egregiously the Soul Stone - is snipped when it turns out Thanos destroyed them. Also, for the hinting of Bruce and the Hulk settling their differences...we never see that. It just plops Professor Hulk onto us with only a brief touching upon at the diner. And that's just off the top of my head.

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#110258: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:12:10 AM

Also, since that last video reminded me of it, it's kind of amazing to look back and see what this Iron Man 2-era video was saying about the future of Marvel, DC, and the characters at other studios.

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#110259: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:13:57 AM

[up]x2 We never see the way anyone develops over the course of the timeskip, that is the point of a timeskip, to radically change the status quo and put characters in different situations, see how they would react.

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#110260: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:36:46 AM

[up]×5 I also received similar news on Google, but once I read the article and saw they were citing some sketchy sites for their source I knew they weren't to be taken seriously.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110261: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:42:49 AM

After revisiting Endgame I honestly have to say that Infinity War is the better movie as a whole for me. The middle part if Endgame is just too slow and full of nonsensical Time Travel stuff.

The final battle is the movies saving grace.

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#110262: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:52:40 AM

As a standalone entry, IW is the better paced of the two.

Endgame, whatever your opinions on it are, is rather self-indulgent.

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#110263: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:08:23 AM

[up] IW leaves on a depressing note, while Endgame was a 3-hour long letter saying "hey, we're sorry we broke your hearts last year. Let us make it up to you."

Just from that, Endgame inches as the better one IMO.

(I just really don't like depressing endings. tongue)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 26th 2019 at 10:09:34 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#110264: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:25:54 AM

The only reason why Blue Ray/DVD sales would factor into a movie getting its sequel or not is if it was already on the bubble or edge of breaking even or barely pulling profit. Captain Marvel is not in either category, it made a BILLION at the box office that's a slam dunk into getting a sequel.

So yeah more anti-sjw so-called Fan Boys trying to find ANYTHING to try and bash the film over and 'justify' the calls to cancel the future CM films.

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#110265: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:33:04 AM

Infinity War lost some points for me because of Endgame. Specifically, there were things I was tentative about pinging it on because they were clearly setting something up for Endgame. But then Endgame never followed through on those things, so they just wound up being bad plot points that drag down the movie for no reason.

Both movies got pinged for Vormir. Planet Manpain was a mistake. If you're not going to subvert the blood-cost in the second movie OR ever do anything with the "soul in the Gem" implication, then what was the point of even introducing this? Because it kinda just feels like edgedarky darklordiness to me. Probably shouldn't have made such a big deal about "We don't trade lives" too, if you're going to have the Avengers trading lives in the next movie to meet their Win Condition.

With a Red Skull cameo who might as well not be the Red Skull because it never adds anything or means anything, no less.

I was more forgiving of Infinity War than I should have been because I thought Endgame was going to follow up on the stuff it introduced, like the Hulk's sudden unwillingness to fight which is never explained or resolved. Or Titan, the planet that "should have listened to Thanos" and that's the final ultimate canonical word forever. Or Gamora's planet that "Thanos saved" and that's the final ultimate canonical word forever.

So, yeah. I'm a bit more sour on Infinity War than I was before Endgame came out. Between the two of them, my favorite is Black Panther.

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#110266: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:37:38 AM

My favorite is still Far From Home, followed by Winter Soldier and Ragnarok sharing the silver medal.

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#110267: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:41:26 AM

FFH never feels the need to kill off a female character for manpain, so it's got a leg up there. As do my own two favorites, Guardians 2 and Black Panther.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#110268: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:41:27 AM

[up][up][up] I don't think several of that stuff like the worlds was ever intended to be folllowed up on.

[up] Eh 50/50 on it happening in those movies.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 26th 2019 at 7:42:29 AM

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#110270: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:53:42 AM

To put Captain Marvel's success into perspective, a movie is considered to be "worth the time and effort to make it" if the film makes back twice its budget at the box office. A movie is considered to be a success if it makes back three times its budget at the box office.

Captain Marvel had a budget of 152 million dollars, and it made back 1.128 billion dollars. That's over 7.4 times more!

Comparing to the other billion-dollar MCU films, Avengers made back 6.9 times its budget, Age of Ultron made back 3.85 times its budget, Civil War made back 4.6 times its budget, Black Panther made back 6.7 times its budget, Infinity War made back 6.5 times its budget, and Spider-Man: Far From Home made back 7.05 times its budget.

The only MCU movie that made over a billion and is a greater success than Captain Marvel was Endgame, which made back 7.85 times its budget, and Endgame is the highest-grossing movie of all time!

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#110271: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:00:01 AM

Yeah, them dropping Captain Marvel is bullshit, so y'all can relax.

Perlmutter isn't at the helm of Marvel Studios anymore.

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#110272: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:14:53 AM

Captain Marvel was okay, but I'd slam dunk her sequel prospects in the bin if it was a choice between CM 2 and Ant-Man 3: Ant-Man and the Wasp 2.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110273: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:20:02 AM

I heard about this on Google news, not a stupid Anti-SJW video
Google News is an aggregate news site. It doesn't actually report on anything — nobody works for "Google News" — instead it uses your internet history to link a variety of news articles it thinks you might like to read. If you've ever searched for Marvel, MCU, or superheroes, it will give you links to articles about those things...including articles from sites that are, shall we say, not reputable. Google News does not distinguish between a "good" news site (like Comics Beat or io9) and a "bad" news site (like Cosmic Book News or any of the other "anti-SJW," Comicsgater websites that are basically echo chambers for their racist, sexist beliefs). So I would be careful about what you read and believe on Google News — always check the source and then see what other people say about that source.

Also, like the others have said, Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars. Even if Blu-Ray sales were low, it doesn't matter, because over a billion dollars is not something that they are going to drop.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:21:54 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110274: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:23:35 AM

My biggest gripe with Thanos in Endgame is just that the 'real' Thanos dies so non-chalantly and early within the movie.

There is no real catharsis in seeing his Past Self die at the end, as he is basically an outsider hijacking everything. He has no personal connection to the plot. He didn't kill Loki in front of Thor, he didn't sacrifice Gamora, he didn't kill Vision, he didn't half-genocide this universe etc

Hell him telling Wanda that he doesn't even know her shows this best.

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#110275: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:27:57 AM

Ant-Man 3: Ant-Man and the Wasp 2.

I'm hoping for Ant-Man and the Wasp and Stature.


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