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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#110201: Sep 25th 2019 at 5:40:09 PM

No offence, but you guys making a lot of assumptions right now.

I mean, the most likely reason it got it's simply that no one at Hulu thought the series would go anywhere as is. Far more series are cancelled than ever end up airing, this is just another exemple of it.

Besides, it's not as if this dooms Robbie forever. Runaways came into existence even after the movie got cancelled, after all.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 25th 2019 at 9:43:59 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#110202: Sep 25th 2019 at 6:02:36 PM

I also need to point out that the source of the recent "Feige wants Ghost Rider in the MCU" comes from MCU Cosmic which is not a reliable source.

In fact, the Deadline article doesn't mention that rumor since it looks very sketchy.

EDIT: Ok, I'd just seen and the source of that wasn't MCU Cosmic, but some guy on twitter who does seem to have some connections within the industry but is still very unreliable. This guy had claimed that they had big plans for Norman Osborn in the MCU and a adaptation of Dark Reign, which was never the case.

Edited by Akirakan on Sep 25th 2019 at 8:19:24 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110203: Sep 25th 2019 at 10:26:21 PM

I just saw that New Warriors is apparently dead too.

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#110204: Sep 25th 2019 at 10:42:39 PM

I think it's Disney+, personally. Despite actually being owned by Disney, the Hulu shows are succumbing to the same fate as the Netflix shows. Disney wants their new service to be a one-stop streaming service for all your Marvel needs. They're trying to avoid directly competing with themselves for their own market.

Probably not a coincidence that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was just cancelled too. Marvel's pulling the plug on pretty much anything that's not on Disney+.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:44:17 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110205: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:00:25 PM

Just hope that Runaways Season 3 and Cloak & Dagger Season 3 receive decent wrap-ups before they're inevitably axed too.

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#110206: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:03:25 PM

It's possible that they might just move. The same thing could happen with the Ghost Rider show.

Unlike Netflix and ABC, Hulu is part of the Disney megacorp. There's no contractual problems with taking Runaways down off of Hulu, putting it up on Disney+, and then renewing it for another season at its new home. Same with Cloak and Dagger.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 25th 2019 at 12:04:09 PM

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#110207: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:05:34 PM

I should get around to watching those.

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#110208: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:06:26 PM

One of the subscription packages for Disney+ had Hulu included for free on it, so the assumption was that Disney would use Hulu as their new "Touchstone", to put everything on it that doesn't match "The Disney Brand". That Ghost Rider was planned for Hulu led to expecting that it would be rated R compared to the other presumably lighter Disney+ Marvel series. But if they're cutting that, it raises questions on if they plan on making any R rated material or just cutting more and more from Hulu 'til it's dust. Deadpool might have to keep an eye out.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110209: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:08:27 PM

Despite actually being owned by Disney, the Hulu shows are succumbing to the same fate as the Netflix shows.
Except that can't be it or else they would have announced the cancellation of Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and never approved Helstrom.

Hell, they are offering a deal where you can get Disney+, ESPN+, and ad-supported Hulu for a low price, so why would they want to sabotage Hulu at all? They own Hulu. Someone watching Hulu is just as good for them as someone watching Disney+ — moreso, because they get money from advertising, too, on ad-supported Hulu.

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#110210: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:08:44 PM

[up][up]On the bright side that means we may never have to suffer a Punisher series or movie.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 2:09:20 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110211: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:10:23 PM

[up] And how is that a good thing? Bernthal was awesome.

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#110212: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:12:25 PM

I doubt Disney has any intention of taking profitable IPs and just hanging them out to dry for no reason. They're going to do something with Ghost Rider, Punisher, etc.

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#110213: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:14:42 PM

Well on the other hand, no Punisher is better than a kiddified Punisher.

That's a character that just doesn't work as family friendly.

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#110214: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:15:02 PM

Great actor or not, the source material is too problematic for various reasons.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 2:15:15 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110215: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:18:10 PM

Depends on the source material (seriously there are like a dozen different interpretations of the character. I assume you mean the Ennis version) and what would be made of it.

Netflix did a fairly good job in not glorifying what Frank does me thinks.

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#110216: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:20:44 PM

wild mass guessThe Punisher will return in Runaways for his cameo where Molly beats the tar out of him.wild mass guesstongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:22:16 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110217: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:22:22 PM

Disney is not going to keep everything PG-13. They know that there is an audience for both movies and shows that are rated R. For example: Deadpool. I'm pretty sure that Bob Iger said, in regard to Deadpool, that if it ain't broke, don't fix it — so they are probably going to keep that rated R.

I mean, there's a reason that Disney made a deal with Netflix in the first place to make more R-rated shows. There is zero reasons to think that Disney will "kiddify" anything in the MCU. When have they ever done that so far? (Baby Groot exempted.)

This is seriously just people getting worked up over nothing.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:24:07 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#110218: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:26:52 PM

Great actor or not, the source material is too problematic for various reasons.

And it's worth noting - again - that we just had a Punisher series linked to the MCU, albeit in the disposable way the MCU treated all its tv shows previously, so it's not like Disney's been averse to the idea thus far.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110219: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:27:37 PM

Well if they really wanna put everything on Disney + then there IS reason to assume so as it has already been confirmed that said Streaming Service will be PG 13 only

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/08/27/disney-plus-may-only-show-pg-13-content-giving-netflix-amazon-and-apple-an-advantage/

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110220: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:37:20 PM

Well if they really wanna put everything on Disney +
Once again, they don't. There is absolutely no indication that this is the case.

"But what if!" What if it rained diamonds. What if Disney exploded into a million franchises. What if nothing we did mattered and this was all just a pointless march into oblivion until the sun swallowed the planet and we all died.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:40:26 AM

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#110221: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:44:21 PM

[up][up][up]One of the few times I'm not sorry a series was canceled.

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#110222: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:48:56 PM

The Punisher was pretty funny in Super Hero Squad. tongue

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#110223: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:53:05 PM

The Punisher can work just fine provided he isn't the main character.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#110224: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:54:49 PM

So are all main characters supposed to be role models?

Nominal Hero or Villain Protagonist is a thing.

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#110225: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:56:34 PM

The Punisher's whole thing is that he serves as a contrast to the Marvel Heroes. He does't quite work by himself.

And yeah, I'd say the Villain Protagonist in general can be problematic. Mainly because the series all too often fail to properly convey the point that these protagonists are not people we should really be rooting for.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 2:59:19 AM

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