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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Dafoe's Norman Osborn seemed to be more of a typical rich, critical father than an outright abusive parent. All things considered he seemed to be more attentive and concerned about Harry's personal life, holding him to a higher standard and attempting Brutal Honesty to protect him. He clearly had some darkness inside but he morally struggled against the Goblin persona. Compared to numerous other examples of Abusive Parents that is rather mild, as those involve being completely disinterested in their successes, constant emotional manipulation and physical abuse. Compare that to Cooper's Osborn, whose dying words to his son were basically "You're next."
You guys seem to think that there is some sort of line a dad crosses to go from "good" to "terrible, abusive father." But there is a wide spectrum between those two and shitty is right in there.
Hey, you know what you don't do if you're a good father? Test an untested, highly dangerous serum on yourself because you think it might help your company, without ever asking if this will affect your family or your son, who obviously is looking to get your attention. But fuck him, the only attention you'll give your son will be subtly negging him.
Norman isn't some sort of abusive monster dad; he's just a really shitty one.
This is the entire conversation:
- Harry: Dad, these are public school kids. I'm not showing up for a field trip in a Rolls.
Norman: What, so you want me to just trade in my car for a Jetta just because you flunked out of every private school I ever sent you to?
Harry: It wasn't for me.
Norman: Of course it was. Don't ever be ashamed of who you are.
Harry: I'm not ashamed of who I am. It's just...
Norman: Just what, Harry?
Harry: Forget it.
Norman clearly doesn't care what his son actually wants (saying "Of course it was" and ignoring Harry when he asks him to drive around the block) and instead wants to mold him to be who Norman wants him to be.
Which means he's a shitty dad.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:51:51 AM
If being a good father means never "throwing your failures in your face", as you called it to their son, then you have really high standards.
There's a reason Tough Love is a trope, and I'm sure a lot of tropers here (me included) had been trowed their failures by their fathers and would never call them a shitty father for that.
And as it had been mentioned before, it wasn't even an egregious one, it was one from concern of not doing as well as he hoped.
Edited by eligram on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:56:30 AM
I know Spidey is still out of the MCU (It still stinks, but I've chosen to get out of actively talking about it on Twitter), but since we're talking Goblins...
You guys think the MCU would've done the Osborns and the Green Goblin much later down the line? Or have we already had more than enough Goblins?
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:06:33 AM
I think Spider-Man's Rogues Gallery is much like Batman, where having 6+ films and several reboots is still not enough space to integrate even the most cinematic possibilities. So unless we expect 6 films with JUST Holland Spider-Man, they probably won't do justice to all of Spidey's most notable villains. The legal blocks inside the MCU alone means we are unlikely to see a Spider-Man vs. Kingpin story, and outside the MCU obviously not a Black Suit story.
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A mask you could be express yourself through? Man, that's uncanny! Were they going to add pupils or something?
I can only imagine they didn't go through with it because Sony thought it would require paying for maintenance.
Yeah, but in the age of computers and motion capture, we should have all the expressive masks, right?
EDIT: Oh wait, Sam Raimi nixed the mask thing because audience members wouldn't believe a rubber mask can be that expressive. My mistake.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:49:54 AM
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I liked the power ranger suit too, don't get me wrong. But the comic suit is so iconic, and want to see it realized in the big screen. It also makes total sense in the MCU, as it was said in Ironman 3:
The fear factor of that suit would totally justify it existence. Not to mention they could sell it as being able to attack any city/country and being able to blame it on a alien invasion, goblin from one of the realms that Thor came from, etc.
And now we believe in a talking racxon and a living planet without questioning. How far we got.
Edited by eligram on Sep 21st 2019 at 9:02:50 AM
I'd love to see a hammy Osborn fight a quippy Spider-Man in live-action. The quips have always been live-action Spidey's biggest weakness. I still remember when Superior Spider-Man, the comic about Doc Ock stealing Peter's body, used Peter's quipping as an ID verification.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:44:58 AM
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Yeah, honestly, Harry was kind of a deadbeat. Norman is remarkably civil about it.
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