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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#109976: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:22:05 PM

Hell, I'd even be down with giving Ben an energy form, like in the Ultimate Version.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109977: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:23:21 PM

Just as long as we don't turn Reed Richards into a mass murdering Mad Scientist blob monster too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#109978: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:27:11 PM

aw,i want my "Richard reeds WHAT HAVE YOU DONE" moment

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109979: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:35:21 PM

I don't want Ben to able to change back and forth — it takes away from the initial tragedy of the Thing. It's only when he accepts that he'll always look like a rock monster that his life improves (and the Future Foundation does find a way for him to revert back to human, but only on his birthday).

Also, the first set photos of The Eternals shows Angelina Jolie as Thena.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:38:09 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109980: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:40:35 PM

It'd also just turn him into rock-flavored Hulk.

Ben's transformation being permanent and something he can't "turn off" like Banner can is part of the appeal of the character.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#109981: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:43:42 PM

wild mass guess If Hawkeye died in Ultron, would it have spared Black Widow down the line? wild mass guess

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109982: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:46:16 PM

They would've had her and Steve fight on the cliff, probably. tongue

Or she fights Quicksilver, so it's not even a contest and he just zips off the edge.

Pietro can't escape death.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:48:42 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#109983: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:50:58 PM

It'd also just turn him into rock-flavored Hulk.

Not necessarily. Ben for starters doesn't have a split personality. And if they go with the energy form from the Ultimate Comics, he'll be very different from Banner.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109984: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:51:09 PM

I also don’t want Ben getting with Sue like in the Ultimate Verse.

That was just weird AF.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#109985: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:51:46 PM

Or Natasha still sacrifices herself but the family vibes are now framed around Wanda not wanting to live without her brother than about children so it's a little less Unfortunate Implications.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109986: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:53:49 PM

Or Endgame never happens because Pietro swipes the Infinity Stones off Thanos's Gauntlet before he can snap.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109987: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:57:26 PM

[up][up] Huh? Natasha was never framed as not wanting to live without children. She wanted to make sure that Hawkeye had his wife and children back.

[up] Thanos slows down time and snaps Quicksilver's neck. He dies. He always dies.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:57:54 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109988: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:00:32 PM

Quickglass.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#109989: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:02:10 PM

I also don’t want Ben getting with Sue like in the Ultimate Verse.

Hey, I'll be glad if this doesn't appear.

But I really would like energy form Ben.

Actually, you know what? Make the entire FF team smart people in their own right not just Reed.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#109990: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:04:03 PM

Yeah, I really don't see the point in making Ben turn back into his human form at will. What's the point? What does that add to the character? If anything, it takes away a core part of his character. Ben is defined by the isolation he feels over not looking human anymore, his complicated feelings of resentment towards Reed, and his desperation to gain the humanity he once had.

If he only turns into the Thing for action scenes, you lose all of that. Say what you will about the 2005 film, but it knew that was the core appeal of Ben.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#109991: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:05:42 PM

> Thanos slows down time and snaps Quicksilver's neck. He dies. He always dies.

Actually if they had kept his powers from the comics Thanos could have just shot him in the back with an energy beam

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109992: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:08:10 PM

One time comic Thanos had his brain invaded by Monica Rambeau moving at light speed trying to give him a stroke and it didn't work because his brain is just too scary.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 20th 2019 at 1:10:24 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#109993: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:08:25 PM

Michael Chiklis was one of the highlights of the 2005 film. Brilliant acting.

He and Laurence Fishburne made the two films somewhat bearable.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#109994: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:24:25 PM

Huh? Natasha was never framed as not wanting to live without children. She wanted to make sure that Hawkeye had his wife and children back.

I know, I mean that it would remove the offspring dimension from the dialogue completely. Even if it wasn't the intent of her statements in Endgame enough people mistakenly took it that way and making it about siblinghood would completely sidestep that barrel of worms.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:15:36 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109995: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:27:39 PM

...I never heard anyone take it that way.

Also, how would it be about siblinghood, since Quicksilver is already dead?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109996: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:32:39 PM

...I never heard anyone take it that way.

It was discussed on the spoiler thread and here several times.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109997: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:34:20 PM

Natasha's sacrifice being about how she wasn't able to have children?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109998: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:34:39 PM

First time I heard of that as well.

You sure you're not mixing it up with her farm scene with Banner in Ao U, mate?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#110000: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:49:00 PM

Thats news to me too.

The only thing I vaguely remember was somebody objecting to the notion of Natasha being a better suited sacrifice than Clint because Clint has a family.

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