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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#109926: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:04:11 PM

That just reminds of a doc I watched where they discussed the making of the first Avengers film. There's a part where they interview Clark Gregg and he recounts how Whedon first told him he was going to be in the film. Whedon was talking about how Coulson was going to be the one who really rallies the Avengers together, and Clark went "Yeah, that's grea— (beat) Joss? Am I getting killed off in this film?"

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109927: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:06:10 PM

I mean, Quicksilver's death also meant that Hawkeye had a reason to side with Captain America during Civil War — he was protecting Wanda. In fact, his and Wanda's friendship is one of the big through-lines from Age of Ultron all the way to Endgame.

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#109928: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:10:29 PM

[up][up] Whats funny is that it wasn't even Whedon's idea and he predicted he'd be blamed for it.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109929: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:11:08 PM

I think he interacted with Wanda only once in Endgame. tongue

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#109930: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:24:25 PM

It's not his fault Wanda decided to flake out on everybody for most of the film.

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#109931: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:33:47 PM

BOOOOO

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109932: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:34:33 PM

I think he interacted with Wanda only once in Endgame. tongue
I mean, she was dead for most of it, but they had a nice touching scene at the end post-Tony's funeral.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 19th 2019 at 9:34:47 AM

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#109933: Sep 19th 2019 at 11:21:44 PM

It's here, in HD, one of the coolest sequences of all year.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 19th 2019 at 11:23:04 AM

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#109934: Sep 19th 2019 at 11:29:03 PM

YES. This was easily the highlight of the movie for me. Well, that and maybe the mid-credits scene.

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#109935: Sep 19th 2019 at 11:46:00 PM

As cool as the mysterio sequence is, I thought it was a little rushed, and wasnt enough time to absorb all that was happening (in the theater I mean).

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109936: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:04:28 AM

That, right there, is what you got to Mysterio to see. A big loss from Spidey splitting from the MCU is that we probably won't see - say - Mysterio in the Thunderbolts / Masters of Evil or something.

I actually do think Sony has what it takes to pull together and make a decent live action Spider-Man film, but I'm not sure if I trust them to adequately do the Sinister Six.

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#109937: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:16:57 AM

[up][up] Its a nearly 5-minute scene.

That's pretty long.

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#109938: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:43:44 AM

Yeah, that scene is legit one of the best villain displays of power in the entire MCU.

The funny part of that scene comes when you remember that Beck's small team of CGI animators must have had to whip that up on very short notice. Like, we see how the illusions are made in-universe, and it's with pretty traditional CGI animation, just projected via holograms.

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#109939: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:45:12 AM

They must be pretty good since Nick Fury didn't come out looking like Tarkin in Rogue One.

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#109940: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:46:45 AM

Some of the shit does stretch disbelief a little bit. Like, can the drones really recreate what it feels like to get buried in punchy Spider-Man clones?

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#109941: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:51:00 AM

Maybe those were special drones outfitted with boxing gloves instead of guns? Or maybe Mysterio and his whole team just dogpiled Spidey at that time to enforce the illusion.

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#109942: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:51:49 AM

[nja]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:53:14 PM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#109943: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:09:44 AM

It's a fun individual sequence but I was partially thinking about how after showing us how complicated it was developing their illusions, crafting such an elaborate sequence while anticipating every movement Spider-Man was going to make kind of broke the premise. Traditionally, it was the limitations of Mysterio's illusions that let Spider-Man beat him, it's all smoke and mirrors, but the use of the drones made it so that the threats were VERY real.

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#109944: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:01:09 AM

crafting such an elaborate sequence while anticipating every movement Spider-Man was going to make kind of broke the premise

EDITH is most likely responsible for that.

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#109945: Sep 20th 2019 at 6:37:52 AM

It's a fun individual sequence but I was partially thinking about how after showing us how complicated it was developing their illusions, crafting such an elaborate sequence while anticipating every movement Spider-Man was going to make kind of broke the premise. Traditionally, it was the limitations of Mysterio's illusions that let Spider-Man beat him, it's all smoke and mirrors, but the use of the drones made it so that the threats were VERY real.

Beck wasn't anticipating Spidey's moves. He was herding him. Using the illusions to make Peter's choices for him, while presenting the illusion of choices. It's typical video game design: give your player a handful of limited options which will actually railroad him back onto the game's one track.

For instance, that hallway scene right at the start. Right off the bat, Beck narrows Peter's options. He can go forward down the hall, backwards down the hall, or through the side door. Beck approaches from "forward"; note that before the illusion takes over, that direction is a steep several-floor drop through the demolition site. If Peter tries to go that way, he's taking that plunge.

If Peter goes the opposite way, he'll run face-first into the column Beck poses as shortly after. Invisible wall; cheap trick in level design, not a true option.

Peter doesn't make a choice quickly enough, however, so an "MJ screaming" voice prompt emerges to encourage him to choose the side door. Through there, he gets a bonus scene of Mysterio dropping MJ off the Eiffel Tower before making the same plunge he would have made if he'd just tried to run for it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 20th 2019 at 7:39:08 AM

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#109946: Sep 20th 2019 at 6:51:18 AM

I haven't seen Far From Home yet, but I heard great things about Mysterio. That scene was freaking amazing.

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#109947: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:02:27 AM

Reverting back to the speedster talk, Darker than Black had the worst speedster because he had zero of the Required Secondary Powers. He couldn't control himself, he uses a lot of energy (he literally carried a bag of burgers around), he wasn't super tough, and he even talked about how using his power makes him sore the next day like a normal athlete.

He gets killed with the Storm-expy makes it rain while he's running and he basically punches holes into himself.

Also, like MCU Quicksilver, his MO is "run at them and push them over." If he carried a knife or hell, even a stick he would've at least been able to accomplish something.

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#109948: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:24:18 AM

One of the few series that treats speedsters as invincible as they should be is Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. There's a character who's ability is to accelerate the entire universe except for living organisms, except for himself. In practice, this means that to everyone else, the world and objects move way faster, and the character has steadily increasing super-speed. The battle starts with the character accelerating the universe to 30 times faster than normal, and he is completely untouchable from that point forward, even to a whole team of people with Super-Reflexes.

That ability is considered one of the most overpowered abilities in the entire series, even when, in combat, it's pretty much just standard super-speed, and this is a series known for its insane powers.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 20th 2019 at 7:24:51 AM

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#109949: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:43:51 AM

It’s possible that Quicksilver wasn’t carrying any weapons because he didn’t want to hurt anyone but Tony and Wanda had decided he didn’t get to die until they fucked with him

From his interactions with Hawkeye, Quicksilver seemed more interested in trolling than actually hurting

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#109950: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:53:26 AM

[up][up]And the only reason he is defeated is because Jotaro figures out at the last second that Star Platinum has the same power.

Edit:

Woops, got the wrong Stand. I was thinking of The World, not Made in Heaven.

Edited by M84 on Sep 20th 2019 at 11:12:19 PM

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