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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#109876: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:27:07 PM

Quicksliver would have defeated Thanos before he could even snap his finger!So yeah he'd too over powered,cool powers though

Also

This guy totally needs to be main villain for next Fantastic four reboot

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109877: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:43:05 PM

I'd have liked a scene of Quicksilver racing to stop Thanos at the precise moment Thanos decides to snap his fingers, with the fingers in slow-motion while Quicksilver fastly approaches, but only reaching him just as he finishes the action and grabs his fist just in time to turn to dust.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#109878: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:45:45 PM

better yet Thanos slows time down walks past him,sticks his foot out and Quick Silver crashes

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#109879: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:51:54 PM

He DOES have the Time Stone by the time he shows up on Earth and Quicksilver, if alive, could have fought him.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109880: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:56:14 PM

I think some of that has to do with a lot of stories involving super-speed usually being a little too willing to give them "required secondary powers" and treat it as being equivalent to being able to slow down or stop time outright, and basically have it run on cartoon physics. This is actually a little bit of a pet peeve for me.

For example, in Days of Future Past, Quicksilver at one point grabs some bullets, and moves them out of the way of the target, among other things. Problem is, that's not how speed by default works. For one, even if you can grab a bullet, your hand isn't bulletproof. Plus you need to be able to survive the acceleration and deceleration, and even if you can, the friction between your foot and the ground wouldn't normally be enough to stop you.

And of course, there's the whole issue of reflexes, but that one kind of is a required secondary power.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#109881: Sep 19th 2019 at 3:59:26 PM

Now I want to see Thanos vs Apocalypse

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109882: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:03:55 PM

Which is why, awesome as Foxsilver is, I still prefer the portrayal of super speed of Marvilver, where he actually gets tired and needs to catch his breath.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109883: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:06:58 PM

I remember finding it hilarious how MCU Quicksilver, despite being too fast for Hawkeye or Captain America to fight, doesn't do anything worse to them than slap them in the face. If he was wielding a knife or a gun, he'd be unstoppable against anybody Cap-level and under.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109884: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:09:29 PM

Quicksilver is naturally a stupid jack hole after all. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 19th 2019 at 4:10:54 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#109885: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:11:25 PM

Well he is a speedster,their brains dont mach their superpower unfortunately

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109886: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:19:33 PM

Quicksilver’s slower paced speed should be a bit more filmable, but Fox ran into the problem of turning him into The Flash.

A good balance for film should be that while Quicksilver is faster than anyone, you/the characters can still see him coming. Find a good balance between “fast enough to be a real threat” and “so fast nobody can even react.”

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#109887: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:22:54 PM

As awesome and hilarious as Fox Quicksilver is, they made him too OP, and as such he's only good for one or two set pieces. After that, he's told to stay the fuck out of the plot.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#109888: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:32:43 PM

They should make a limit on his powers that if he goes too fast he'll join the speed force explode

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109889: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:39:41 PM

The easiest way to manage super-speed is to simply state super-speed doesn't equal super-stamina and he has to pace himself or he'll just black out from exhaustion at some point. It's odd how relatively rare that is despite it being a very clear Logical Flaw.

A friend of mine had a character named "Expresso", whose speed-based superpowers depended on him consuming caffeine, and thus his powers had a limit in terms of him having a limited amount of "juice" to burn through: at some point the super-speed will consume all the caffeeine he ingested, so he has to stop to ingest more. And even then his body has a limit to how much he can consume without just having a Overdose of cafeeine, so it's a super-speed with a time and amount limit set to it.

You just need to be creative with super-speed.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109890: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:44:04 PM

Amusingly Kid Flash in Teen Titans almost got killed by becoming exhausted.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109891: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:44:31 PM

I recall My Hero Academia has a character who requires sugar in order to power his super strength, and he also has downsides on how long it lasts and the amount that's consumed.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 19th 2019 at 4:46:47 AM

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#109892: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:51:27 PM

Kamen Rider Kabuto had a good handle on it, IMO, since the Kamen Riders and the Monsters all had the general level of speed. Up until Hyper Kabuto came into play anyway.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109893: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:52:45 PM

[up][up] Specifically the more sugar he eats, the dumber & sleepier he gets.

Essentially what happens when your sugar rush runs out.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109894: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:53:09 PM

@Gaon: That sounds fun, did he ever publish it?

@Tucker: He also gets dumber the more sugar he eats, so that's two drawbacks.

Edit: [nja], damn you, slim! shakes fist

[up]x2 Kamen Rider rubs shoulders with anime, and I can't remember the last time any action anime didn't have someone who could Flash Step.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 19th 2019 at 8:55:17 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109895: Sep 19th 2019 at 4:56:31 PM

Yet another example of how My Hero Academia is ahead of the curve.

You could also the route of the heroes who definitely already should have had a movie.

MAS Y MENOS! SI, PODEMOS!

[up] No. He used it for a rpg once and we sometimes discuss turning it into a comic by teaming him up with another character of mine called "Macho" Mahesh (both Mahesh and Expresso are superpowered boxers, but Mahesh is a Rubber Man type). Just a thought so far, though.

Edited by Gaon on Sep 19th 2019 at 4:58:54 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109896: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:01:35 PM

Well, if it ever becomes a reality, give me a heads up, always happy to help projects of fellow tropers.

And while Mas y Menos are a really fun pair, ain't them a little to gimmicky to carry a movie by themselves?

BTW what's the name of the Wrestler Tiger Lady and the blonde mute who posseses people? You know, the B team Mutano teamed up with when the villains took out the Titans?

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 19th 2019 at 9:01:56 AM

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#109897: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:02:59 PM

[up]The blonde guy is Jericho Wilson, IIRC. One of Slade's kids.

The wrestler woman was Pantha. In the DC mainstream comic line, Pantha is actually Wildebeest's adoptive mother. Here, they are merely described as good friends. Pantha in the comics was also a cat-human hybrid mutated by the Wildebeest society, whereas in the cartoon she has no physical cat attributes.

Edited by Guy01 on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:05:53 AM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#109898: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:03:08 PM

Amusingly Kid Flash in Teen Titans almost got killed by becoming exhausted.

He was also put on a bus for the exact reason mentioned with Quicksilver.

“[If] you think logically, all he has to do is see the villain and the fight’s over. He moves too quickly. I like his personality very much because I like playing his middle class, Midwest personality against the others. But as far as his power goes, I don’t like it. Much too inconvenient. If used correctly, he’s really too powerful. […] He’s a good character. I like his personality. It’s just that his powers are a very big problem. He just moves too fast.”

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109899: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:03:57 PM

Generally all the powers in MHA come with some kind of drawback to prevent overuse.

The resident fire user is at risk of overheating if he fights for too long & their's a strong implication that the fire using villain who's near completely covered in burn scars is due to power overuse.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109900: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:14:02 PM

I'm amused by all this talk about speedsters being overpowered, so they can't be written well in movies. Especially since Agents of SHIELD figured out a way to have a speedster as one of the main ensemble and write her damn well — they just added in the weakness to her powers when they introduced her: Yo-Yo can run anywhere within a single heartbeat, but she always snaps back to her original position — it's still a storybreaker power sometimes, especially when they are up against normal humans, but it definitely has its limitations.


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