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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109826: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:14:14 PM

As the bad guy in The Good Place put it, "I'm a middle-aged white man. I can only fail up."

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:19:58 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109827: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:16:19 PM

I'm not sure I'll get the logic..... if there is such a thing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#109828: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:18:49 PM

The MCU is not bereft of examples of being close to our reality in the saddest ways.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109829: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:19:00 PM

In some cases though, Kicked Upstairs is slightly more justified since it's more of a hassle to outright fire the fuckup. In real life, the people to whom this happens to are very aware they are being snubbed. Some take it with grace and make the best of it. Others end up resigning months or even weeks later. The latter is sometimes the entire point of the "promotion" — the company wants them to go away of their own accord with a minimum of fuss.

In Ross' case, him becoming Secretary might be a mixed blessing to him. Sure, he's got a very prestigious and powerful position...but he's not actually part of the armed forces anymore. He's not allowed on the frontlines, where the action is. I imagine he'd be a bit like how Kirk felt when he was promoted to Admiral.

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:23:13 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#109830: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:22:35 PM

I think it's more like Trump, where people fume and constantly try to get him impeached, but it doesn't work because the fanbase supporting him doesn't really care about his fuckups.

The legend has returned.
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#109831: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:24:37 PM

Willing to bet money that "Thanks, Ellis" is an in-universe meme.

Are you willing to bet...cash money on it?

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109832: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:25:05 PM

I'm not sure I'll get the logic..... if there is such a thing.
As Thanos pointed out, reality is often disappointing. In reality, middle-aged white guys tend to, uh, not suffer for bad things they've done and instead get promoted. For example: Donald Trump went through six corporate bankruptcies. He was also the subject of hundreds of lawsuits, including ones about Trump University, which was definitely a scam and which he settled for $25 million. And yet, he was still considered a "good businessman" and was able to become the President of the United States.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109833: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:26:21 PM

Sometimes I wonder if God is a middle-aged white guy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109834: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:26:55 PM

[up][up]Trump in particular is a rich white man who inherited a lot of his father's business connections, giving him an additional cushion.

[up]Nah, if God exists He was a thing before white people were even a thing.

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:27:53 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109835: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:27:08 PM

[up][up] I mean, what if God were one of us?

Just a slob like one of us?

Just a stranger on the bus?

[up] Yeah, I should point out that it's mainly rich white people who get away with shit.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 18th 2019 at 8:28:44 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109836: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:29:51 PM

It wouldn't surprise me though if Ross genuinely felt that being Secretary was a punishment. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd enjoy a desk job.

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:31:18 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109837: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:32:24 PM

At the very least God most likely has a particular sense of humor.

I'm reminded of Ryunoske's God speech from Fate/Zero.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109838: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:37:48 PM

Of course, Kicked Upstairs can sometimes backfire since it can give other people the impression that the person being kicked upstairs is actually capable. They actually think the person was promoted because the person was awesome and not because the person was an eyesore their bosses didn't want to deal with anymore. This leads to the fuckup getting into a position of even more power and authority, which leads to disaster. Because the only thing worse than a fuckup is a fuckup with power.

...So I guess we can expect President Ross in the near future of the MCU.

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:42:02 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109839: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:47:10 PM

@M84 Something similar happened in real life. Some candidate-I think it was Teddy Roosevelt-got "promoted" to VP to prevent him from actually being president. A complication arose when the the president was assassinated and the VP they wanted to keep from being pres got the job.

Leviticus 19:34
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109840: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:49:09 PM

The Kicked Upstairs page also mentioned James Buchanan, who was promoted to various positions to keep him away because nobody liked him. This unfortunately led to him gaining an undeserved reputation as an experienced statesman, leading to him becoming President. And that didn't work out well at all.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109841: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:50:28 PM

On the plus side, eventually the sidekick of America's most American superhero was named after him.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 18th 2019 at 8:52:25 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#109842: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:35:26 PM

[up]No wonder he prefers to go by Buckytongue.

Ross becoming Secretary of State has nothing on Norman Osborn being put in charge of America's national security. At least Ross had a long career as a general and one could argue that he did some good for his country when he wasn't leading illegal military operations both at home and abroad. Osborn was a corrupt CEO who murdered a college girl and yet this was forgotten because he killed the Skrull Queen.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109843: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:38:56 PM

Huh I just realized something.

MCU Quicksilver didn't do much before he died.

While Fox-Quicksilver got some stuff to do but at the same time is either shafted quickly after or got Dark Phoenix'd.

So who got it worst?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#109844: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:39:55 PM

Did Foxsilver get one of his high speed sequences set to song moments in Dark Phoenix?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109846: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:43:10 PM

[up][up] I haven't seen any of Youtube so I don't think he did.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109847: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:44:15 PM

Foxsilver is only in Dark Phoenix for 2 minutes. He saves some astronauts, tries to fight Jean in slow mo, then trips and faints for the rest of the movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#109849: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:45:54 PM

Damn. His scenes in DOFP and Apocalypse were good (in fact his scene is the only bit of Apocalypse I've seen) but I think that showing pulls his average way down.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109850: Sep 18th 2019 at 10:50:17 PM

Let me refine my question then:

Which is worse, to be U'd or DP'd?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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