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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#109801: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:53:38 PM

I have to agree with Ultimatum here, neither the local Law Enforcement nor the National Guard are in any way, shape or form equipped to deal with the Hulk.

I'm fairly sure Ross had the authroization to act the way he did. His troops are equipped to deal with the Hulk (these sonic cannons almost had him, it was only the rage boost he got from hearing Betty scream).

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 18th 2019 at 9:53:51 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109802: Sep 18th 2019 at 1:05:25 PM

The local enforcement could've dealt with Banner, with Ross's forces on stand-by should he hulk out. Because Ross knows Banner doesn't want to transform, especially in zones full of civilians, so the effort should be directed toward keeping him that way.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#109803: Sep 18th 2019 at 1:18:02 PM

[up][up] Not sure why you'd give benefit of doubt to a man who at one point literally said, "As far as I'm concerned, that man's entire body is property of the U.S. Army."

Much like the right to roll Army tanks up onto a college campus and shoot up the place, that's not legally a thing. I mean, it sort of is for enlisted military personnel; it might be a bit of a different discussion if Bruce was a sergeant in Ross's regiment or something. But not for civilian contractors.

Ross isn't trying to arrest Bruce for Hulk-rampaging up the place. He's trying to kidnap Bruce so that he can weaponize Bruce's mutation without his consent. He's using super-illegal methods to accomplish a super-illegal objective. There is no part of his actions in the film that is legally defensible.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 18th 2019 at 2:22:23 AM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#109804: Sep 18th 2019 at 1:27:38 PM

And again, legality aside, he's effectively using civilians as human shields here. I frankly don't care if it's legal (it's not), it's comically immoral.

And the consequences? Secretary of State!

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109805: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:06:48 PM

Depending how you interpret the film, Ross might also have basically conducted a illegal, unauthorized military operation in a civilian area in Brazil, and wars have been started for way less.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#109806: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:20:43 PM

Evidently the Russos and co. gave as much of a hoot about TIH as I did while watching it.

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#109807: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:22:25 PM

wild mass guessThe Ross that appears in Civil War is a Skrull.wild mass guess

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#109808: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:23:39 PM

That makes a disturbing amount of sense.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#109809: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:50:08 PM

"he's reprimanding Cap as a commanding officer to his subordinate."

Kinda, he pretty much Tell the Avenger that it Is their fault he Is there in the first place.

Also now i want she hulk vs Matt: Battle of lawywers.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#109810: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:51:29 PM

They did do that in the Charles Soule run

Jen was defense and Matt was prosecution for.... CAPTAIN AMERICA

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:51:47 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#109811: Sep 18th 2019 at 5:51:01 PM

Does seem kinda weird that none of the Avengers seemed to have been aware that such a major resolution was being debated and about to be passed. You'd think that'd be big news.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#109812: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:31:22 PM

I Will said the miss because of the Bombing early in the film

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#109813: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:31:55 PM

I think it's weirder that the UN was about to pass the Accords and hadn't even considered getting any input or even talk to the Avengers until the week before.

If the Avengers were given the ability to voice their concerns during the Accords conception, I think a lot of the problems could've been avoided. Then again, I'm not a law expert. Maybe this stuff does happen sometimes.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109814: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:55:48 PM

International law is just as much about politics as it is about actual law, if not far more so.

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#109815: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:58:38 PM

It's pointed out in this video here, at 9:17, that Civil War subtly hints that Steve wasn't around while the Accords legislation was debated and he's annoyed at Tony for cooperating with it and not telling him. So the UN got Tony's input, it did not get Steve's.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:07:17 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109816: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:17:29 PM

Still on the topic of Ross: the fact the incompetent, authoritarian white guy jarhead got Kicked Upstairs after making some catastrophic blunder might actually be one of the things I find most plausible about the US of the MCU.

Hell, you could even wrangle a plausible justification that Ross got the job in the chaotic reshuffling mess that must have followed the wake of Iron Man 3 revealing the Vice-President was part of a vast conspiracy to murder the President. Some heads must have fucking rolled at that time, and I can see in the wake of the political annihilation that must have caused, Ross being chucked in.

And I haven't even mentioned HYDRA.

Edited by Gaon on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:19:38 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109817: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:19:28 PM

How do you get kicked upstairs for being a fuck up?

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109818: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:21:21 PM

Promoting a fuck-up so he won't fuck up anymore is literally what Kicked Upstairs means.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109819: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:22:09 PM

I know this is a naive question but why not just fire the fuck up for being a fuck up?

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#109821: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:27:23 PM

Getting fired is for the working class.

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#109822: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:32:18 PM

"Here's What You Don't Know About The New Secretary of State" trended for a few days and the Harlem Incident got a few mentions on talk shows, and then everyone forgot about it when the next week the new Secretary of Energy turned out to be The Rhino. tongue

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#109823: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:07:53 PM

The more I think about, the more disastrous the Ellis administration must've been. During his term, we've had:

  • A major oil spill that caused grave environmental damage.
  • Having to perform damage control after an invasion from an extraterrestrial army in the middle of New York.
  • The fallout of his Vice President being part of a conspiracy to fake terrorist attacks in the name of profit.
  • The even bigger fallout of a fascist organization having made the nation's capital their base of operations for decades and nearly succeed in killing millions of people in the name of peace.
  • The political ramifications of having some of America's most public figures create an evil AI that attempted to create a mass extinction level event and led to the complete decimation of Sokovia.
  • The mass-empowering of several individuals and his administration's poor attempts to handle the situation.
  • The Avengers causing an international incident that involved the head of a foreign nation, and most of the team being declared wanted fugitives (including the guy who's named after your country).

The only saving grace would be that he wouldn't have been in office when the Snap happened, assuming I have my numbers right.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109824: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:08:19 PM

How do you get kicked upstairs for being a fuck up?
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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#109825: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:13:06 PM

Willing to bet money that "Thanks, Ellis" is an in-universe meme.

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