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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109726: Sep 16th 2019 at 6:40:26 PM

He's also arguing that the solution to their lack of accountability is to make them subordinate to an oversight organization run by Ross.
The Sokovia Accords are not run by Ross; they were created by the United Nations. Ross is the Secretary of Defense. There is no way that the UN would appoint the US Secretary of Defense to be in charge of a multi-national agreement. It would probably be the UN Secretary-General or a member of the UN Security Council.

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#109727: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:06:58 PM

Thing is, Ross isn't simply arguing that the Avengers are dangerously unaccountable. He's also arguing that the solution to their lack of accountability is to make them subordinate to an oversight organization run by Ross.

So Ross being a hypocrite does matter, because he's not simply someone having a debate; he's part of the issue being debated.

Ross isn't debating anything. The debate already took place in the United Nations. Nothing the Avengers have to say on the matter will actually influence the Accords.

The decision at this point has already been made. Ross is delivering the message.

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#109728: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:08:48 PM

[up]

That's true.

Again I ask, why is HE delivering the message after what he did?

At this point, I won't debate that there's a point, just why someone who's as much of an argument for that point (even worse arguably) is being allowed to say anything. Hell, he should be in prison himself for the shit he pulled.

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#109729: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:10:26 PM

He gives orders to Rhodey in Infinity War so maybe he was in a position of authority via the accords

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#109730: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:11:31 PM

Back when Spidey was a part of the MCU, I thought it would be neat to have Norman Osborn become the President of the United States and use him to commentate on the current political climate. It could also be a nod to the Dark Reign story arc, and Norman could be the one to put together the Thunderbolts like in the comics.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#109731: Sep 16th 2019 at 9:05:39 PM

Ross committed crimes in his pursuit of Hulk. But its been years since Hulk has been chased by military convoys.

Ross has changed in the years since TIH and is no longer doing the things that make him hypocritical to oversee the Accords.

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#109732: Sep 16th 2019 at 9:07:08 PM

> Apple ... may merge with Sony, which could mean Spidey coming back to the MCU.

> Back when Spidey was a part of the MCU, I thought it would be neat to have Norman Osborn become the President of the United States and use him to commentate on the current political climate. It could also be a nod to the Dark Reign story arc, and Norman could be the one to put together the Thunderbolts like in the comics.

What I'd give for the universe to stop making me think about Spider-Man...sad

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#109733: Sep 16th 2019 at 9:12:06 PM

[up]Buddy.

You do not have to post here about it.

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#109734: Sep 16th 2019 at 9:18:22 PM

That Maverick guy/Red Hulk the Second from U.S.Avengers is like if Ross was actually a cool dude.

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#109735: Sep 16th 2019 at 10:34:57 PM

Oddly enough, Maverick used to be even worse than Ross. So much so that Ross thought Maverick was too extreme.

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#109736: Sep 17th 2019 at 6:46:42 AM

I think that’s the most on-the-nose real name for a comic book character I’ve ever heard.

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#109737: Sep 17th 2019 at 6:56:39 AM

Then you haven’t met Todd Ziller, the man who turns into American Kaiju

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#109738: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:01:42 AM

This guy.

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#109739: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:13:03 AM

This time, it's for real. And I know I've said it before, but this time it's for real!

Today, I'm going to watch... Captain America: The Winterfresh Soldier!note 

Wish me luck!

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#109740: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:18:19 AM

Oooh, now you're in for a real treat. Some of the best action in the franchise. This and Guardians 1 are also a really great back-to-back, even though they're strikingly different in tone and such.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Sep 17th 2019 at 7:20:17 AM

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#109741: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:25:08 AM

Winter Soldier is the film that finally disproved the Spider-Man 3 rhetoric. For years, putting three or more villains in your movie was considered a death sentence. Too many plot threads, not enough time, everything just comes out as rushed and jumbled. A movie with too many villains CANNOT function.

Winter Soldier asked, "Okay, but what if you didn't have a unique plot thread for each villain? What if you had one plot thread, and then each villain just services that one story?"

Winter Soldier looked at the "3 Villains Bad" rhetoric and said, "Hold my beer." It had five f*cking villains in it, and through its plan of making them all service a single narrative thread, it actually pulled them off. This movie was a turning point in how we think about adaptational storytelling in film.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 17th 2019 at 8:28:11 AM

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#109742: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:29:34 AM

Winter Soldier didn't have five villains, though. It had a single villain, Hydra, that happened to have a lot of henchmen.

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#109743: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:34:07 AM

I was waiting to ask this. So who’s your favorite villain in the MCU besides the usual suspects (Thanos and Loki)?

For me, the answer is Armin Zola. He’s a nebbish dweeb in the first movie that turns into a chessmaster in the second, and it doesn’t feel like an ass pull at all.

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#109744: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:37:23 AM

So, favorite villain aside from the main villain of every movie after Homecoming? Because all of those villains are pretty frequently mentioned among Marvel's best villains.

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#109745: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:40:56 AM

I meant just besides Thanos and Loki.

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#109746: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:41:09 AM

Vulture and Killmonger are pretty great villains who deserve the acclaim they've gotten, but they're obvious and already been dissected and discussed like mad. Soooo lessee, what else is there...ah, right, I was really impressed with Kilgrave, Mariah Dillard/Stokes, Bushmaster and Shades.

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#109747: Sep 17th 2019 at 8:46:58 AM

Definitely Calvin Johnson.

He's the biggest reason Season 2 was so good.

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#109748: Sep 17th 2019 at 8:50:19 AM

I liked Ghost. She had powers that counteracted the heroes without being a direct copy and remained both sympathetic and a threat at once. Admittedly more of an antagonist than a villain per se but I found her a good reason the sequel was such an improvement.

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#109749: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:10:03 AM

I'd like her to still be hanging around in a hypothetical 3 movie.

Her and Bill Foster. Even if just to sit in the background like a Greek chorus and tell Hank he sucks.

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#109750: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:15:48 AM

...so I just realized, that without Ultron on his head....MCU Hank is a worst person than main 616 Hank.

Irony huh?

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