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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The weird thing is that none of Ross' screw ups are mentioned at all in Civil War. Him lying to Banner about the super solider project, his illegal operations in foreign nations, shooting up a college campus, giving the serum to Blonsky resulting in him becoming the Abomination, none of this is used to discredit him which would actually be strong arguments in the anti-accords faction's favor. Hell, we have Rhodey siting Ross's military record as proof he can be trusted when everything about the Hulk situation points to Ross as the worst person to handle superhumans.
Maybe it was a mix of A) TIH not being up there as one of the better-remembered MCU films and B) it would've derailed from the main plot of Civil War.
I suspect the hypocrisy could come into light when The Falcon and the Winter Soldier drops onto Disney+ soon.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 16th 2019 at 4:03:46 AM
@Hail Muffins In fact, pointing out your opponent's hypocrisy is a logical fallacy called the Tu quoque fallacy, which is sub-type of Ad Hominen.
Leviticus 19:34I think the Avengers hypothetically pointing out Ross's own horrid record isn't hypocrisy because the Accords legislation puts them under his control, so the question of how people expect the Accords to make the Avengers less destructive by putting them under a likewise destructive official is a valid one.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2019 at 1:42:16 AM
> someone being a hypocrite has little bearing on the validity of their argument.
Why should their argument be considered valid if they're points they're making are hypocritical?Hypocrisy undermines their argument and makes their position weaker
Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:39:19 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverBy that logic you'd be listening to pretty much nobody, since few people practice a 100% what they preach.
Heck, MCU Cap himself is a pretty huge darn hypocrite too in some regards!
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianOf course, when the argument is that they need to stop them from becoming dangerous loose cannons with too much power, the question of "so, you are putting us under the power of a proven dangerous loose cannon with too much power?" becomes too valid. At least fire Ross before doing anything.
Wake me up at your own risk.Look I am not saying they have to have a spotless record but when you make an argument that your opponent can say "That's hypocritical,and you are a hypocrite " it does no favours to the argument you are making
And yes I agree that no one is perfect and above hypocrisy but unless you have a really strong argument hypocrisy is going to weigh you down
have a listen and have a link to my discord server“I realized I went too far and want to make sure my mistakes aren’t repeated.” Hypothetically, he could couch it in those terms.
It’s no less likely then admitting that you’re a hypocrite.
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.That still hasn’t no relevance on what they’re saying however. It’s blatantly trying to ignore what’s being said in favor of attempting to discredit the person saying it. Which is why its considered a fallacy.
Also this:
Is easily deflected even in addition to being fallacious, because even if Ross was guilty of the same things the Avengers were, he isn’t any more. As fredhot said, all he has to do is say “if I was wrong, then so are you” and the whole “argument” falls apart.
That kind of thing happens when one conflates person and argument.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:09:35 AM
Ross may be a hypocrite. In fact, Ross is a huge asshole. But that doesn't make him wrong.
Here, I have this article for you.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:08:18 AM

Ross in Civil war was a case of Hypocrite Has a Point for me. Yeah, he did all the things he accused the Avengers of himself, but that doesn't mean that he was wrong on all points.
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