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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Not really a lord of anything
Because Ross is just such a good guy who deserved a second chance.
Seriously, Ross' extended Karma Houdini thing is one of the most inexplicable aspects of the MCU, both narratively and In-Universe.
Edited by Larkmarn on Sep 16th 2019 at 11:24:12 AM
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.The short of it is that the WSC blamed the plot of The Incredible Hulk on Banner, since Blonsky waa a war hero, and wanted Blonksy for the Avengers - but in order to get Blonsky, they had to get Ross on board since Blonsky was under Ross' jurisdiction for some reason.
SHIELD didn't want that to happen for obvious reasons, so they sent Tony to "convince" Ross in a way that was so obnoxious that Ross would naturally refuse. End result, Ross signs off on Blonksy going into custody instead.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:37:33 AM
Yeah. That stinger was another one of those scenes that didn't make much sense in retrospect, but they fixed that one pretty quick with a DVD bonus short.
The official answer is that S.H.I.E.L.D. tapped Tony to approach Ross in the hopes that Stark's toxic behavior and attitude would elicit a "F*CK OFF AND DIE" response, ending any possibility of Blonsky joining the Initiative.
True to form, Stark's attempt at diplomacy somehow managed to conclude with him buying Ross's favorite bar and having the place bulldozed.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 16th 2019 at 9:38:28 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Wonderful
Also I like to assume that Nick kept sending Hank Pym letters asking about Ant-Man and would he maybe be interested in rejoining SHIELD and Hank created a form letter saying FUCK OFF and they’ve been in correspondence for a while
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat was also the only stinger that happened before the credits, since Marvel was still getting used to the whole "post-credits stinger" and they didn't want to waste the one scene with RDJ on something that a lot of people wouldn't see.
Nowadays, they know that people will stick around long enough, so they can stick an Endgame teaser after Captain Marvel.
Ah, back when they were trying to be grounded. Now I am half expecting the Stinger for Doctor Strange 2 to be someone looking over the texts on the various monsters before going “The future of this dimension lies in the past. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!”
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When people say someone has “F- You money” that’s probably what they mean. It’s hilariously petty.
Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 16th 2019 at 12:01:58 PM
It's a standard part of superhero universes that tons of weird stuff has always been around on Earth ('cause you know writers are gonna want to do stories about mythological gods and heroes, or ancient alien conspiracies, or stuff like that), but in order for the world the heroes first appear in to remain largely the same as our own, for most of history all that stuff would have to stay hidden from public knowledge. It's only once some superpowered people start putting on colorful costumes and duking it out in public that this secrecy becomes impossible to maintain, and you get The Unmasqued World.
Tony was far from the first superhero in the MCU; he was just the first to make absolutely no effort at discretion (well, Captain America publicized himself a fair bit, but that was before he actually started doing superhero stuff). So Fury's initial plan for the Avengers Initiative probably involved recruiting Tony, tracking Banner down wherever he'd run off to, getting Hank Pym to come out of retirement, and trying to get Carol to answer his pages. Heck, we can't rule out the possibility that he knew about Kamar Taj and tried recruiting the Ancient One. The chief flaw in his plan is that none of these people is gonna be eager to join a secret quasi-government strike team.
Remember, he also recruited Black Widow onto his team and would have probably recruited Hawkeye.
And in Agents of SHIELD, it was stated that Melinda May was on his shortlist for the Avengers Initiative before the Bahrain incident. So he was looking not just for people with superpowers, but for his best highly trained operatives.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 16th 2019 at 10:08:56 AM
Ross led a super-illegal military operation to shoot up a civilian college on United States soil. Just. So. So illegal. By all rights, career-endingly illegal.
In Endgame, he concluded a conversation with the Avengers by telling Rhodey to arrest all of the super-powered colleagues that Rhodey was visibly colluding with.
I wouldn't be too quick to give him the benefit of doubt. Ross is your classic General Ripper archetype who confuses mindlessly belligerent aggression with clever tactical decision-making.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 16th 2019 at 11:28:05 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Has there ever been anyone that failed their way up so spectacularly and illegally?
Probably, history is terrible
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHonestly, while I always hated Ross in comics, I never could bring myself to hate William Hurt's Ross.
Something about him just made him human and relatable to me. Can't quite put my finger on what it is.
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:44:03 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianI wouldn't call that Ross a bully. At worst, he's really overprotective of Betty as he fears Bruce is following his father's path too well and the ending implies he knows Bruce is alive but won't chase him. MCU Ross is far from professional and is actually worse than his comic counterpart given he revived a super soldier project illegally when it was discontinued, created two gamma mutates and made one a fugitive to cover up his failures and protect his career.
The General Maverick Red Hulk from US Avengers was pretty great
He actually had a mustache
Forever liveblogging the Avengerscreated two gamma mutates and made one a fugitive to cover up his failures and protect his career.
And had the balls to blame the Avengers for losing track of Banner.
Seriously, I cannot fathom why they brought back Ross, especially for a movie that's supposed to somewhat be a Both Sides Have a Point narrative. Were they worried that Team Tony would be too sympathetic?
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