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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109626: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:47:12 PM

I remember liking Mysterio's origin in the 90's animated series, where he was an ambitious special effects guy who wanted to make his name with spectacular but illegal and incredibly dangerous pyrotechnics which forced Spider-Man to bring him in - resulting in him swearing revenge.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 15th 2019 at 10:48:20 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#109627: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:49:38 PM

When Spidey called him out on how he was to blame for his own misfortune during their first battle, Quentin retorted that his therapist said the same thing, but their sessions never made him feel this good.

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#109628: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:49:49 PM

Hey Shocker became the boss of crime and had a pet cyborg Silvermane head and ran over the Punisher. Respect.

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#109629: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:52:04 PM

Eh, beating Frank Castle isn't that impressive outside of the MAX series. Heck, he once got gutpunched by a little girl.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#109630: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:52:12 PM

Amazingly Scorpion once had the Venom symbiote & he was still a loser.

[up] Wait didn't that little girl have super-strength?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 15th 2019 at 10:52:53 AM

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#109631: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:53:07 PM

Excuse you, that little girl was Molly Hayes and she also deserves respect

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#109632: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:53:43 PM

The only Venom host more pathetic than Mac Gargan was Angelo Fortunato, who was so pathetic that the Venom symbiote ditched him in mid-air because he was such a loser.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2019 at 1:56:10 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109633: Sep 15th 2019 at 10:56:47 PM

Wasn't that the Whedon-written one where he made Punisher really OOC?

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#109634: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:00:49 PM

That wasn't even the most humiliating beatdown Frank has ever suffered. He's suffered a lot — most writers don't seem to be terribly fond of him (for good reason).

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:03:37 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#109635: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:02:24 PM

Gargan isn't even in that yaoi doujin series that stars Daken & Bullseye I think.

So even on there he's a loser. tongue

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#109636: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:04:00 PM

In Uncanny X-Force (a book with a team so fucked up that Deadpool was The Heart of the team), Deadpool had this to say about an elderly future version of Frank:

“Look, for what it’s worth, I always hated you. You are a boring, two-dimensional, self-serious relic from the ‘70s. Oh, and Chuck Bronson called – he wants everything he ever did back.”

Pretty on point, all things considered.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#109637: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:12:48 PM

[up]which Is funny considering Is deadpool who Said it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#109638: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:15:18 PM

This was a team that had Wolverine & a Fantomex who was willing to shoot a kid in the head.

So the fact of Deadpool calling out Frank as a total edgelord says a lot about how bad he is compared to everyone else.

[up] I mean Deadpool's not an edgelord so its not really hypocritical of him.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 15th 2019 at 11:16:00 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#109639: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:30:48 PM

Oh, and Shocker. Nobody respects Shocker. And for good reason.

Ironically, Shocker is one of the more professionally minded villains in Spider-Man's rogues gallery.

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#109640: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:32:42 PM

That's probably why nobody respects him. He tries to act professional even though he's wearing such a goofy garish looking suit. At least other costumed villains own it.

It'd be like a lawyer trying to give a closing argument in court while dressed in a clown suit complete with oversized shoes and rubber nose.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:35:03 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#109641: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:42:24 PM

Don't Shocker's abilities come from his suit, though? Wouldn't the silly thing be to let such a great weapon go to waste just because you don't like the aesthetic?

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#109642: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:45:18 PM

It's actually the gauntlets that are the source of his powers. The problem is that the gauntlets' feedback nearly killed him the first time he tested them out. The suit is protective clothing he designed himself to prevent the feedback from killing him.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:47:46 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#109643: Sep 15th 2019 at 11:55:21 PM

Yes there actually are Daken x Bullseye porn comics.

I haven't read them but the art seems pretty decent going by the covers.

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
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#109645: Sep 16th 2019 at 5:38:20 AM

[up]x2 Every day we stray further from God's plan.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#109646: Sep 16th 2019 at 6:20:22 AM

[up][up]

Also: Who wants to see... an alternate version ofThe Stinger of Iron Man?!

Pretty sure someone already posted that. Or at least, it's been discussed in this thread a while ago. It's still pretty crazy how they wanted to mention Spidey and the X-Men from the beginning, but probably didn't want to overstep.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#109647: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:09:40 AM

Frankly, "You think you're the only hero?" is just a better line, and the whole conversation is just tighter. Plus the references to Spider-Man and Hulk seem to assume that radioactive spiders and gamma powered monsters are established knowledge.

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#109648: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:30:00 AM

Both versions of the conversation have their issues. Marvel wasn't 100% on where they were going with this at the time, which is why Phase 1 is so wishy-washy about "The Avengers Initiative". They didn't have it all mapped out ahead of time.

In a vacuum, with Iron Man as the only movie that's been made, they could have gone that direction where things like Spider-Man and the Hulk are publicly established entities. They made Fury's scene a bit more noncommittal and wound up going a different route 'cause they wanted to do origin stories, but that came with its own problems.

For the better part of a decade, it's been an unanswered question as to WTF Fury's talking about. He implies that we're already in the age of superheroes, but later films would make Thor the thing that changes the world and brings about the age of superheroes, and then shortly after that, the Battle of New York replaces Thor in that context. So, at the time, yeah. Tony legit was the only superhero around, and Fury's talking straight out of his ass.

First Avenger established Captain America, but Cap wasn't really a superhero. He was a soldier who fought in WWII. That was the extent of his actions.

Ant-Man much later established Hank and Janet, but Hank and Jan weren't really superheroes either. They were S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.

It wouldn't be until Captain Marvel that Fury's bluster was finally vindicated by not only introducing a prequel actual superhero superhero, but also making Fury a part of it. Captain Marvel changed the scene from "Fury's making shit up or something I guess?" to "Fury's definitely talking about Carol."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:30:08 AM

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#109649: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:52:23 AM

[up][up][up]It was discussed a while ago, I've discovered. Sorry, everyone...

But would you mind reading the first part of [up][up][up][up][up], please?

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#109650: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:57:10 AM

Deleted Scene: the rest of the conversation between Fury and Stark at the end of Iron Man 1.

  • Stark: Yes, I would like to hear about your Avengers Initiative. Please, have a seat. Do go on.
  • Fury: We're gonna make a team of Carols.
  • Stark: Of what?
  • Fury: Heroes. Superheroes. A whole team of them. I thought about calling them Carol's Marvelous Marvels but that seemed a bit on the nose so we're going with Avengers.
  • Stark: Who's Carol?
  • Fury: There isn't a Carol. Carol doesn't exist. Don't mind that. Now, I want you for my Initiative.
  • Stark: Alright, that sounds like a thing to do. One question, who else is on the team?
  • Fury: Excuse me?
  • Stark: You said you wanted me to be one of your... Marvelous Marvels....
  • Fury: AVENGERS.
  • Stark: Right. Avengers So, who's on the team?
  • Fury: Right now, it's you. And. Uh. Also you. Yeah, we definitely got you in mind.
  • Stark: ...and the other superheroes, I assume.
  • Fury: What other superheroes?
  • Stark: You said I'm not the only superhero!
  • Fury: Stop paying so much attention to what I say and just join my team!
  • Stark: Well, I might need to think about this because if it's just going to be me doing my thing by myself, I can do that just fine without you.
  • Fury: It's not JUST YOU! You'll be joined by the OTHER SUPERHEROES I just told you about!
  • Stark: What other superheroes?!
  • Fury: The OTHER ones who are going to exist eventually! Look, either we find superheroes or we build doomsday guns. I've been trying to find literally anyone to make this project look like it works for a decade and I still have nothing to show for it. Frankly, my bosses have given me an unrealistic amount of slack on getting this thing going, but I am running out of rope to hang myself with. You're not going to hear me say this very often, but right now, I really need you.
  • Stark: ...so when you asked if I thought I was the only superhero, my answer was yes. And I'm kind of regretting not saying it now.
  • Fury: Look, maybe if you built some armor for a few of my—
  • Stark: AAAAAAND WE'RE DONE HERE.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:58:23 AM

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