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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#109051: Sep 9th 2019 at 12:11:38 AM

"Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple of old friends. She's dusty but she'll do."

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109052: Sep 9th 2019 at 12:31:20 AM

Gotta wonder the sheer size or quantity of moths it would take to eat through the Helicarrier.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109053: Sep 9th 2019 at 12:45:16 AM

Killer Moth came over from the DC universe and this is his latest nefarious scheme.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109054: Sep 9th 2019 at 12:53:04 AM

Either that or Mothra decided to look for a more lucrative contract.

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109055: Sep 9th 2019 at 12:55:02 AM

I don't see the issue with the helicarrier showing up in Age of Ultron. The ones destroyed in Winter Soldier were explicitly new helicarriers. The original helicarrier from The Avengers was presumably still parked somewhere, and if anyone would know the combination to get in, it'd be Fury.
Agents of SHIELD explicitly answers the question of "Where did the Helicarrier come from?"

Go watch Agents of SHIELD. Everyone should watch Agents of SHIELD.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109056: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:02:47 AM

I always felt the show was kind of overrated, though I did find this scene amusing:

Granted, the fact that Bill Paxton passed away due to surgical complications makes the scene kind of eerie in hindsight.

Edited by M84 on Sep 9th 2019 at 4:03:30 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#109057: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:08:28 AM

That's... really lame.

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#109058: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:53:54 AM

Today, I'm going to watch... Thor: The Dark World!

Is it just me or will I be facing a very painful movie (from what I've heard from you)?

"Scooby Dooby Doo!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109059: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:59:30 AM

It's not painful so much as...mediocre and boring.

Which might be worse.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#109060: Sep 9th 2019 at 3:55:51 AM

It says something that even the worst MCU movie is not bad as far as comic book movies can get.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109061: Sep 9th 2019 at 5:45:18 AM

Certainly way above the other, ahem, "classics" of the genre, like Catwoman or Steel, or the first Hulk movie

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#109062: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:17:14 AM

The problem with Thor Dark World is that again focuses on the earth, instead of exploring other kingdoms.

It was also unnecessary to give a comical sidekick to the comical sidekick.

The main villain is so flat that his Right-Hand (kurse) is more interesting than him.

—-

I hope Loki series explores the kingdoms, but I doubt it very much.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:20:54 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109063: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:26:05 AM

Actually, I rather like the way Dark World handles Earth: as another battleground to have an adventure in, rather than a place adventurers go to not be adventurers like in the first one.

At least, I like it conceptually. Dark World's problem with basically everything is in execution.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#109064: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:49:00 AM

If I have to say something positive about the movie, Loki stopped being a straight villain (Avengers) to be an anti-villain again.

Loki's evolution as a character seems to be.

Anti-Villain (Thor) —> Straight Villain (Avengers) —> Anti-Villain (Thor 2) —> Anti-Hero (Thor: Ragnarok)

The one in the series will be the 2012 version, so he will probably be a straight villain.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:52:04 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#109065: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:52:40 AM

I wouldn’t even call Loki a straight villain

Avengers emphasizes that he’s under duress of a kind. He’s still being a jerk of course

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#109066: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:56:09 AM

I definitely think The Dark World suffered from too much emphasis on Earth and on the Thor-Jane romance. Both the first and second films really wanted us to see them as like the Tony-Pepper of Thor's life, but they did a terrible job of selling it. The Dark World puts a lot of emphasis on rekindling this life-defining ultimate romance between the two, but they never had a life-defining ultimate romance to rekindle so it all just came across as forced.

The main villain is Malekith and the main plot is Malekith using the Reality Gem to destroy the Nine Realms for Svartalfheim. But the film doesn't really want to talk about that. It wants to talk about how cool Loki is and how awesome the Thor/Jane dynamic is. And it doesn't work.

Guardians of the Galaxy has pretty much the exact same setup. The main plot is Ronan using the Power Gem to destroy Xandar for the Kree. It's literally the same exact movie with the proper nouns swapped out. But it works because the stuff that the film really wants to talk about, the Guardians all meeting and getting together, is actually interesting. The Jane/Thor romance is not and never was.

Guardians and Thor: TDW both needed great casts with good chemistry who are fun to watch interact with each other in order to offset the by-the-numbers blandness of Maleronan. Guardians had that. Thor: TDW did not.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 9th 2019 at 9:58:03 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#109067: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:01:29 AM

That's why I have no interest in Thor 4, that is, a movie with Jane but without Loki.

—-

Something I wonder is how strong Loki is supposed to be, that is, he is capable of receiving bullets without suffering damage and survive the explosion of a bridge, but he has trouble beating a super soldier.

Loki is surprisingly tough for a Squishy Wizard.

I guess he's just as strong as Corvus.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 9th 2019 at 9:03:46 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#109068: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:04:34 AM

That's why I have no interest in Thor 4, that is, a movie with Jane but without Loki.

Well, we don't know much about the movie yet (beyond the fact that we're 90% likely to Jane-Thor). Don't just assume it'll bomb because of that.

Plus, Taika Watiti (sp) is directing again, and we all liked Ragnarok more that TDW....well except me. I was fine with both equally, but I'm clearly insane for liking TDW if the unanimous disdain for it is anything to go by.

One Strip! One Strip!
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#109069: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:06:51 AM

"Don't just assume it'll bomb because of that."

I never said that, I said that for my part I have no interest.

I'm sure the movie will make more than 500 million dollars at the box office.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#109070: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:13:32 AM

4 is already interesting since it appears to not be dialing down the fantastical elements Ragnarok put into play.

Plus I'm actually curious how they bring about Lady-Thor & Val's quest for a queen.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109071: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:14:50 AM

The Jane/Thor romance didn't really work onscreen, but Jane by herself as Thor might.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109072: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:15:29 AM

Plus, let's not blame the character for the writing.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#109073: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:33:06 AM

Plus I'm actually curious how they bring about Lady-Thor & Val's quest for a queen.

Maybe Jane will become Valkyrie's new queen?

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#109074: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:52:05 AM

[up]Or Sif, considering that Thor has her in the friendzone, she can find love in another person.

This could follow two routes.

-It is revealed that she is Bisexual.

-It is revealed that she is lesbian, and that her feelings for Thor was only one phase.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 9th 2019 at 9:58:06 AM

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#109075: Sep 9th 2019 at 10:04:51 AM

Yeah, I'm psyched for Jane-4. Not only will Jane-Thor add to the dismal representation of female superheroes, but Jane's actually not a bad character in those rare moments where she's allowed to be anything other than Thor's Totes-Epic True Love. When she gets to be super-scientist Jane, she's pretty entertaining.

My biggest concern about Jane-4 is the title "Love and Thunder". That has me worried that they might just resume trying to sell us on Jane/Thor, rather than giving Jane-Thor her proper dues.

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