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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#108926: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:49:46 PM

The artstyle made me think of the new Netflix Carmen Sandiego show.

...which I am just now realizing that I never finished the first season of, I think. Oops.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
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#108927: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:51:50 PM

[up][up] Loki, a Magnificent Bastard in the film Avengers? He's more of a Smug Snake here. Sure he has some great moments of cunning, but all of his boasting and egotistic "A God Am I" speeches only amount to getting pulverized by the Hulk Metronomic Man Mashing the crap out of him, and then Hulk calling him "puny god."

Edited by Shadao on Sep 7th 2019 at 3:52:28 AM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#108928: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:54:01 PM

We won't force you to watch any of the Marvel TV stuff. But Agents of SHIELD definitely comes at my recommendation.

That being said, enjoy Phase 2!

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#108929: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:56:31 PM

[up][up]Yeah, didn't count that either. And I said that because he kinda manipulated the heroes to have tensions with each other pretty well.

Forgot to mention that Hawkeye is brainwashed for around an hour of this movie. Thankfully, he doesn't miss the most important part of the movie. Or I am wrong.

[up]Thank you!

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 7th 2019 at 1:57:07 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#108930: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:56:37 PM

[up]He pretty much bring the helicarrier down, coulson death and fury speech was needed to win and it tool nearly Iron man sacrifing itself to destroy the chitauri.

Loki is a magnificent bastard.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108931: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:57:22 PM

Seriously, can someone tell to me if [The Incredible Hulk] is canon or not to the MCU and if its events were referenced here, pretty please? Okay?

Yes. In The Avengers, Banner references that "last time I was in New York I kinda broke Harlem". And William Hurt as General Ross returns in a later film.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 7th 2019 at 3:57:45 AM

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#108932: Sep 7th 2019 at 3:58:03 PM

[up][up]Didn't count that either. Sorry...

[up]Thanks!

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 7th 2019 at 1:58:37 PM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#108933: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:01:48 PM

I hope that "What If" is not just a cheap excuse to kill characters.

Well, there is gonna be a Marvel Zombies episode...

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108934: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:03:52 PM

So if T'challa becomes Star-Lord in one timeline, was he augmented by the heart herb as a child or is he just going to die the moment he catches the Power Stone? Will he even call himself Star-Lord? Didn't the name come from Quill's mother?

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#108936: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:08:37 PM

Ah, Avengers the 1st. I haven't seen it in full in a while and just from little clips and stuff I'm not sure I'd enjoy it that much these days (especially since it's been outdone several times over), but back then it was quite the admirable feat that does deserve plenty of credit.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#108937: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:09:10 PM

The Incredible Hulk kind of suffers in that it's the least referenced of all the MCU movies. Aside from a few casual mentions and Ross appearing down the line, it doesn't have much of an impact on future films. If you're looking for a continuation on the Bruce and Betty relationship or seeing the Leader again, don't hold you're breath. It's why I kind of hope the upcoming She-Hulk show will pick up some of these plot threads again.

Honestly, the biggest impact TIH had was on a One-Shot short they made where they explained why Tony was talking to Ross at the end (namely, Coulson sent him to discourage Ross from having Blonsky join the Avengers). I think the original idea was that Avengers were going to unite to stop the Hulk and Tony was asking for Ross's help, but that changed over time.

Looking back, it's amazing how far the MCU has come since the first Avengers film. Thanos was basically thrown in on a whim just because Whedon felt like it, and it laid the path to where we are now. Back then, of lot audience members didn't even know who Thanos was. Some people mistook him from the Super-Skrull, to Galactus, to even Hellboy. Now, he's probably one of the most well-known supervillains of all time. We've come a long way.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#108938: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:09:33 PM

I want to ask: what your top 3 favorite Marvel moments?

Mine are:

Strange vs thanos: I mean it feel it was the best "throw everything and the kinchen sink against Thanos" it feel strange give everything and my respect for him grow tenfold afte the fact.

Bucky murdering Tony father: probably the darkest thing Marvel have show so far(I will said infinity war is not dark at all) and solidified bucky as one of my favorite chararter

And he best would be.....

Peter discovering is power: that moment when we see is memories with is mother, the song playing in the background.....I cried, I admit here, it made me emppitize with Star lord, something I dont think was posible, it also make me thing of Ego as biggest jerk in the universe.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#108939: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:16:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]Because everything's better with zombies.

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 7th 2019 at 4:18:35 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#108940: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:20:18 PM

But does Loki fight for family and live for love?

Reminder that this exists.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108941: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:20:51 PM

My number one MCU moment is the part where Cap and Nat descend into that basement and slowly realize that the computer they’re interfacing with it Arnim Zola.

Nothing compares to fusion of sheer comic book silliness and awesomeness that went through my head at that moment.

My other two... the opening to Guardians of the Galaxy (the “Come and Get Your Love” scene) and Dr. Strange & Iron Man vs Ebony Maw.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#108942: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:21:46 PM

[up]x3 That's subjective...

[up]x4 Well, in no particular order:

  • I'm with you to the end of the line.

  • When I drift off I'll dream about you. It's always you.

  • I don't feel so good.

...sometimes I wonder if I am a inherently negative person, but whatever.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 7th 2019 at 8:31:10 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108943: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:24:48 PM

[up] Well, yeah. The subjectivity is rather implied by it being a “what are your top moments” question.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108944: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:25:26 PM

I'll go with:

The Mysterio nightmare sequence, the "Are you the God of Hammers, what are you the God" scene, & M'Baku trolling Ross.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 7th 2019 at 5:02:43 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#108945: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:29:58 PM

[up]x2 Sorry, that was in reference to "Zombies make everything better" thing.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 7th 2019 at 8:31:14 AM

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#108946: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:44:41 PM

Nobody's gonna mention Come a Little Bit Closer?

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#108947: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:49:14 PM

Spoiler-tagging all of these for the new guy. This is a tough one. But here's just a few...

- Everything from Yondu sacrificing his life for Peter to the very end with the shot of Rocket shedding a tear. (EDIT: also Yondu mowing down his mutinous crew (thanks for reminding[up]) and using the power of family, friendship and Fleetwood Mac to break free of Ego's control.)

- Peter opening the last present from his mom.

- Killmonger's trip to the Ancestral Plane, and while we're at it T'Challa's 2nd trip there as well. Also Killmonger's final words.

- Thor descending down onto the rainbow bridge to the tune of Immigrant Song. Also Thor intercepting Loki's betrayal and outsmarting him.

- Maria consoling Carol after she learns the truth about who killed Mar-Vell. Also Carol blasting away Yon-Rogg.

- ...Fuck it. As indulgent and popcorn-y as it is, the whole final battle plus Tony's death and funeral. Also Cap vs. Cap in 2012, Thor and Tony getting those conversations in with their dead parents, Past!Gamora immediately siding with Nebula after she learns what happens with them in the main timeline, Present!Nebula shooting Past!Nebula (and by extension the representation of her remaining ties to Thanos) dead.

- "COME ON SPIDER-MAN!!!" Also Peter saving Toomes which is pretty much repayed by the latter not telling Mac the former's identity..

- The whole illusion sequence, plus Peter learning to overcome the drones in the final battle. Also J. Jonah Jameson in the mid-credits scene.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Sep 7th 2019 at 4:51:18 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108948: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:51:49 PM

[up][up][up] What about Zombie Land Saga?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#108949: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:57:45 PM

Haven't watched it yet, I'm not into Idol shows.

It is on the list (a very big one) though, because some tropers whose opinions I respect spoke in pretty well about it, but I have my suspicions it wouldn't be that difficult to make the show with just regular idols rather than zombie ones. Feels very much like a gimmick rather than a feature, you know?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#108950: Sep 7th 2019 at 4:57:59 PM

With ten years worth of (mostly) good films it is rough to narrow down. To do so, I'll pick an example from a "origin film", a example from a sequel, and a example from the big crossovers (Civil War, Infinity War) and try not to repeat movies or character franchises.

With that in mind:

* Origin movie moment: "Dormammu! I've come to bargain!". Just a very creative climax in a otherwise fairly paint-by-the-numbers film and very reminiscent of comic book Doctor Strange.

* Sequel movie moment: "When history did not cooperate, history was changed.". Perhaps the best Infodump in the history of the MCU. It is chilling and brilliantly-realized, with a underrated vocal performance by Toby Jones and simplistic but amazing visuals.

* Crossover movie moment: I'm gonna go darkhorse here and select my favorite moment from the only one of the "crossover movies" I find genuinely bad: "Stark asked for a savior and settled for a slave.". It is a very poignant and quiet philosophical moment in a movie that doesn't really manage either with too much skill. It is also my favorite villain death in the MCU alongside Killmonger's end.

EDIT: Forgot to spoiler tag it for the new guy.

Edited by Gaon on Sep 7th 2019 at 5:00:16 AM

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