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Maybe they gave up, in my opinion. I think that they considered that it's over.
Anyway...
I've watched Captain America: The First Avenger!
Summary: A scrawny, skinny lad is turned into a tall, muscular super soldier thanks to a serum and fights an organization offshoot from the Nazi.
Stan Lee cameo: An army general, who wondered that Steve Rogers was shorter in height.
Observations:
- I saw bits of it earlier. That's my first time watching it in entirety.
- Red Skull is memorable to me. And fun to watch!
- Guess I needed to watch Thor before this to know about the Tesseract.
- Cap is a very great hero!
- Mild profane words do come out of Steve Rogers' mouth. Or I am wrong.
- Dr. Arnim Zola seems to be a nice guy. He isn't so bad.
- The "[X] will return to [Y]" message pops again!
- I like works set in World War II. I am fascinated of this era.
- Red Skull didn't die! The Tesseract took him somewhere and we all saw it!
The Stinger: A trailer for The Avengers (2012).
10/10!note
Yeah, I should have done them as reviews instead. But it's more fun like that!
Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 5th 2019 at 12:35:13 PM
"Scooby Dooby Doo!"Yeah, he uses "hell" a few times. Then he accidentally got a reputation as a swearing teetotaler due to one time he chided someone.
Totally swell guy. Yes. Isn't so bad.
Get ready to wait on this one.
I like Ennis' Punisher MAX run, as long as I can hypnotize myself into forgetting the ending.
Can't say anything about Preacher because I never read it. I did try to read The Boys and my reaction was, more or less "Watchmen did it better".
@Bocaj: The thing is that Ennis is well-known for doing very meticulous research when it comes to Warfare, and WWII in particular.
It's the one point even his detractors agree he does well, so that stood out. A lot.
Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 5th 2019 at 6:42:46 AM
Supposedly, Disney and Sony have until mid-2020 to reach a new agreement. Do you reckon there's at least a chance they could patch things up?
EDIT:
Source: https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-mid2020-spiderman-deal/
Edited by MrHellboy on Sep 5th 2019 at 4:44:36 AM
The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
x2 Hence why I try to forget it happens.
It's sad, really, 'cause up until that point the comic does a good job at showing how self-destructive Castle is.
The ending should've been him dying for nothing and being forgotten as just another lunatic. Frank Castle is not a guy who gets happy endings of any sort.
Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 5th 2019 at 6:45:04 AM
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Well, I do still hope that things will be patched up in a manner that everyone will be pleased. And I bet that the next main Spider-Man will come in 2022, because they would be considered crazy if they don't do it like that for Spidey's 60th anniversary.
Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 5th 2019 at 12:49:19 PM
"Scooby Dooby Doo!"I doubt Disney will pursue Spider-Man farther than they need to. They don't need him and there's a high chance Sony will come to them sooner or later anyway.
This song needs more love.No, that I rather like.
It's just - SHIELD was introduced as a "glue" for the various heroes and films, but after the twist it's like they were water to the MCU's oil. That's not entirely the show's fault admittedly, but I liked that we were finally in that "behind the scenes" world that Coulson and Fury ran in, finally seeing how guys like Coulson went around cleaning up or handling stuff all MIB-style. I'd have liked a little more of "business as usual with a few odd cases" before the sudden table-flip.
But after the twist we were seeing SHIELD on the run, SHIELD on a budget, SHIELD fighting itself, SHIELD outlawed, SHIELD going into the future, SHIELD getting farther and farther from the MCU. SHIELD became the outsider looking in, instead of the guys who were inside of every film. It comes to a head in Seasons 5 and 6 with the creators finally decoupling the show from the MCU entirely, existing in their own bubble.
The storytelling got better yes, but the idea that SHIELD was this connective tissue got thrown out so that the films could have their narrative twist. Which coincidentally enough affected the show more than the movies because SHIELD is pretty much forgotten about until Captain Marvel.
Edited by Soble on Sep 5th 2019 at 3:29:36 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Agreed. The fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. got its own series just in time for the movies to abolish S.H.I.E.L.D. and never speak of it again wound up really working against the show.
As a result, it was never really able to live up to the idea it had originally promised: a supplemental series that weaves through the MCU, connecting the dots between the films. It was just a Marvel show. One with no actual connection to a major comic book character, and that thus had to scrape the bottom of the barrel for D-list characters that it would be given permission to use.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 5th 2019 at 4:17:06 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In regards to the whole HYDRA and Nazis controversy in The First Avengers, I think it does make sense for Captain America to fight a rogue faction of the super Nazis rather than just fight regular Nazi in general. If he fights regular Nazis, there's the question of whether Captain America is "stealing" victories from real-life soldiers or not "doing enough" to stop the Nazi atrocities since the MCU is supposed to emulate our real history until the debut of Iron Man. Having HYDRA be this rogue faction of Nazis who threatens the entire world despite being small does put Steve away from the real-world events and yet still feel like he accomplished something rather having no impact on the history of World War II.
I do admit that they could have showcase the Red Skull being Eviler than Thou to Hitler better than they actually did. The whole "I'm willingly to kill my own Führer and his entire Reich to show how more evil I am" is somehow just less of a Hate Sink trait than regular Red Skull from the comics.
Heh. I always forget that First Avenger presented Zola as this nebbish dude who clearly thinks the whole plot he’s caught up in is bonkers but goes along with it because Red Skull terrifies the hell out of him.
He must have fully converted to the cause offscreen. Though even so, Zola’s idea of what HYDRA should be in Winter Soldier is definitely different than Schmidt’s was.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 5th 2019 at 4:07:59 AM
Well that's kinda the idea of the Red Skull. A villain so evil and terrifying even other supervillains are weary to deal with him.
And to be fair, it does seem that MCU Zola is less evil than his comic book counterpart, who got his spot as a Complete Monster.
I do admit that they could have showcase the Red Skull being Eviler Than Thou to Hitler better than they actually did. The whole "I'm willingly to kill my own Führer and his entire Reich to show how more evil I am" is somehow just less of a Hate Sink trait than regular Red Skull from the comics.
I mean.
He could fight a loyal faction of the super Nazis.
The "super" part isn't a problem. It's the "rogue" part that some people take issue with.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 5th 2019 at 5:15:37 AM
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I said it makes sense, not that it's the best way to so (though I will say that the Red Skull being The Starscream to Hitler is all but inevitable, so they're going rogue anyways).
Personally, the cynical side of me think it might have something to do with the whole merchandising angle. If HYDRA were to be sold alongside the Galactic Empire, they'll have to employ the No Swastikas rule. And how do you justify a No Swastikas for HYDRA In-Universe? They broke off from Nazi Germany and decides to be their own Reich.
The actual Nazis glimpsed in The First Avenger aren't given sympathy so making HYDRA the villain absolutely isn't an apologetic move, but there is a certain subtext of "what's worse than racists is folks who hate everyone equally". Which, nah, racists are still pretty unmatched on the rankings of "most destructive bad guys in history ever".
What's a little clearer from reading the First Avenger prelude comic (back when Marvel actually put thought into them rather than just churning out a quick recap of the previous movie and calling it a day) is that HYDRA's motive, like the Nazis, is still centered around that of racial purity. The difference is that the Red Skull views supersoldiers as the master race, not in a national superiority. Only he mattered, everyone else was cannon fodder, as says their slogan. Modern HYDRA ended up dropping this philosophy, as they aren't ruled by supersoldiers.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 5th 2019 at 4:28:01 AM
Schmidt's HYDRA is built on the idea that the superior (IE, him) should rule over the inferior, and stomp them underfoot if need be. This also expresses itself in his methods - seeking out power no one else has and using supertech to attempt to render the forces that oppose him primitive in comparison.
Zola's HYDRA is built on the idea that humanity as a whole is destined to self destruct and thus requires a despotic hand: their despotic hand. This likewise expresses themselves in their action: prodding global conflicts to make people lose faith in their own freedom and remove/destabilize those who would provide stability that doesn't involve HYDRA, and then attempting to take that freedom away.
Schmidt's a lot like Voldemort, in that he indoctrinated his followers to believe in a cause that was always just a backdrop to make himself as exceptional as possible.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 5th 2019 at 5:07:29 AM
Yeah, I remember reading that the main reason the Red Skull didn't support whole Aryan purity thing was because he knew eugenics was a bunch of pseudo-science. He still gladly participated in the atrocities the Nazis carried out.
That comic showed that Schmidt got Erskine to work on the serum by sending his family to a concentration camp and promising their freedom once his serum worked. And then it turned out he lied to Erskine, and his family had died within the camps years ago.
While that's dark, I think including hints of that backstory in the film would've added a bit more to Erskine's character and made Schmidt a more detestable villain.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 5th 2019 at 7:53:33 AM

Bench Steve was a hallucination. You can tell 'cause he gives his shield to Sam.
We all know that the real Steve Rogers already gave his shield to Stephen Colbert.
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