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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
One bit I wish they kept was a bit where Loki first confronts Laufey and reveals that he's his son. It was in an earlier draft
, but probably got cut for time.
Only saw TFA once but it was a decent introduction to Cap. And it's an obvious joke that's already been memed a lot but amusingly, he wouldn't be the only Human Torch to later be in a much better comic book movie where he'd fight Black Panther.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Of the four trilogies we've had so far (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and The Avengers), I think the Captain America trilogy has the best quality. Even the first movie is probably the most popcorniest movie of the MCU, if that makes sense. The other two are some of the best it has to offer.
The legend has returned.I remember the reception to the first Captain America movie was kind of mixed at the time. Aside from the whole rushed third act, I remember some people were a bit upset that Cap spent most of his time fighting HYDRA instead of regular Nazis. In hindsight, it better fit the world-building aspect of the series, but I recall a few people comparing it to G.I. Joe at points.
Personally, I love the film and think it's one of the best of the Phase One films. I think reception to it has warmed over time, but you can still see remnants of that earlier reception. On IMDB, it has a rating of 6.9, which makes it tied in reception to Thor: The Dark World and only just above The Incredible Hulk.
First Avenger definitely has problems with maintaining steam in the transition between the second act and third, but it achieves the feat many then thought impossible: making Steve a Incorruptible Pure Pureness hero who's compelling to watch.
I remember I had this history teacher who offered to let us watch a movie at the end of the year, and I tried to get him to agree to First Avenger (I hadn't seen it yet and superhero movies were the sh-t, and hey at least it was set during WW 2). He flat-out refused, not an ounce of humor in his voice.
It wasn't an educational or an accurate film, and I never really asked or confirmed this - but I could never shake the feeling that he was disgusted by the suggestion. Like the idea of superheroes running around punching people out was a disservice to what the real soldiers fought for. He was okay with the Hollywood depictions that at least tried to be accurate but, no superheroes.
I guess that always made me somewhat wary of First Avenger. Even when I did finally Netflix it I was underwhelmed. I like the bit with the grenade, Steve getting the shield, but those two scenes and the post-credits scene are the only parts of it I've cared to rewatch. I'd never really cared for WW II period pieces to begin with, even with a super-powered patriot thrown into the mix. Red Skull wasn't particularly memorable. I wasn't in love with Peggy Carter or any of the supporting cast really.
Winter Soldier, meanwhile, I just remember arguing with someone in another thread about how it was "the greatest Marvel movie because it had heavy, relevant political themes" and at the time that sort of mentality disgusted me. Being relevant =/= being good.
I've changed on that stance somewhat, and I like it a lot more now for other things (my god that highway fight), some of them the same things that same person said about it - but I've still got something of a grudge towards it for the path it put AOS on with the HYDRA twist.
Edited by Soble on Sep 5th 2019 at 1:29:46 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!@Soble: I mean, most people think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. got a lot better once the HYDRA twist was revealed, so I'd like to know why you weren't a fan of it. Unless it's about how Ward was a HYDRA agent the whole time, then I can sort of understand.
The main issue there was the film's attempt to distinguish Hydra as Totes Not Really Nazis. The Red Skull badmouths Hitler and wants to bomb Berlin, which rubbed some viewers the wrong way.
In much the same way as Iron Man 2 talking around Tony's alcoholism, First Avenger talks around Nazis. Captain America signs up to fight in WWII and then spends his career fighting an entirely different conflict against bad guys who are only tangentially related to Nazis, while WWII happens elsewhere in the meantime.
Pretty much everything else about the film was pretty good, mind. But the film's unwillingness to commit to Hydra and the Red Skull being Nazis (particularly when the comics go all-in on it by comparison) was irksome.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 5th 2019 at 3:06:34 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The Russos talking about Kevin Feige acquiring Spider-Man.
With this article, and Feige and Holland's recent statements, do you think this means they've truly given up, and Spider-Man is gone for good?
The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.SPIDER-MAN IS DEAD.
Whatever, here's a 100% canonical explanation
for how Steve arrived at the bench in Endgame.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 5th 2019 at 9:19:36 PM
"Scooby Dooby Doo!"