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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#108701: Sep 4th 2019 at 8:24:29 AM

@Bocaj: My headcanon is a thoroughly pissed Tony Stark publicly blamed Ross and his unwavering support for the Sokovia accords as the primary reason the Avengers were unable to mount an effective defense against Thanos; and would not be all that far off the mark, at least in technical terms. That should have been enough to turn Ross radioactive as far as any military or government position is concerned, and keep he in effective exile during that time period no matter how much influence he once had.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 4th 2019 at 11:25:56 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108702: Sep 4th 2019 at 8:32:57 AM

I have to wonder what became of him after Infinity War.
We see him at the end of Endgame during the funeral of Tony Stark. It's probable that he was snapped away for those five years.

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#108703: Sep 4th 2019 at 8:58:10 AM

Even if he was, the Sokovia Accords weren't just him. Someone else would have just wound up appointed in his place.

I suspect that after half of the planet abruptly ceased to exist due to an alien attack, the world simply didn't have the luxury of chasing the Avengers anymore. During times of real-world crisis, assistance offered even by groups like the Yakuza or Hell's Angels is typically considered welcome. Law, borders, these things become less important during massive human catastrophes.

And the Snap was the biggest catastrophe in human history. So I expect it's probably as simple as "The Avengers pitched in to help out and, even though they're all technically criminals, nobody was going to tell them not to." And then they just kept doing that.

They're probably still in that grace period right now where they're technically criminals but it doesn't seem worth it to actually try to arrest them. Not after Thanos. There's probably some legal scholars out there trying to figure out a way to put them on the books for realsies, while the rest of the world just sort of turns a blind eye for now.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:05:31 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#108704: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:03:05 AM

Was the public at the time aware that the Hulk was a human being (and an American citizen)? If the most people believed Hulk was just some monster who fell from outer space, or climbed up from the ocean floor, or got unfrozen from an Ice Age glacier, then sending the military after him would be seen as a completely reasonable response. What's the alternative, leave it up to animal control?

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#108705: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:06:28 AM

Musing on this further:

Frankly, the Avengers can probably coast on that goodwill for at least a decade or two. Tony in particular is pretty much guaranteed to get deified in the history books. Every bad thing he's ever done will undoubtedly wind up getting whitewashed in the Hollywood version of his life story. "Tony Stark's dad was a cool guy who helped us win WWII. Heroism was in his blood, so when he grew up, he built Iron Man and saved the world from Thanos. The End."

Definitely looking at a Hollywood biopic. Maybe with some controversy 'cause, like, they reimagine Steve as this antagonistic jerk who's constantly trying to hold Tony back from his true calling.

EDIT: "8/10, Tom Cruise's take on the historic figure of Captain America was interesting, but he felt a bit mean-spirited for my taste. However, the casting of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury was inspired."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:14:35 AM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#108706: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:20:05 AM

During times of real-world crisis, assistance offered even by groups like the Yakuza or Hell's Angels is typically considered welcome. Law, borders, these things become less important during massive human catastrophes

...we talking hypothetically or am I going to have google some incident in history where the Yakuza were going door to door as part of a relief effort?

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#108707: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:27:23 AM

I could actually imagine that the Yakuza might have offered relief aid after major earthquakes and tsunamis and the like, if only as a cynical ploy to foster goodwill with the community and uphold their image of "noble brigands with a code of honor".

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#108708: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:29:00 AM

That is actually a thing.

In times of national crisis and human catastrophe, "But those people are criminals!" doesn't really matter anymore. Even when it's a murderous crime syndicate. So why would it matter for the Avengers?

Crime is a peace-time consideration. When people are dying, you take whatever help you can get.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:31:44 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108709: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:42:08 AM

RL crime organizations generally thrive on the goodwill that comes from helping communities in times of crisis. Some were even formed that way, and snowball into something huge and monstrous from there.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 4th 2019 at 9:43:15 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108710: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:45:46 AM

Okay, now I want an AU story about the Avengers Crime Syndicate.

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#108711: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:47:53 AM

During WWII the government teamed up with the mob, is something I've heard.

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#108712: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:48:13 AM

wild mass guess Hawkeye caused a starvation crisis in Tokyo.wild mass guess

He is not “Socioeconomic Researcheye”.

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#108713: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:49:31 AM

[up]Hawks are not known for that, after all.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#108714: Sep 4th 2019 at 9:56:51 AM

I'd like it if Tony demanded that any life story of his was completely honest, without trying to make him look like a super good guy and just let people decide for himself what kinda dude he was.

Tony was hard enough on himself that I can see him doing that.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#108715: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:00:52 AM

[up]Even then I'm pretty sure that once they get to "He helped build a time machine to bring back half of the universe and then used intergalactic magic rocks to literally turn an evil space warlord and his entire army to dust", most people will have forgiven any unsavory traits of his.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108716: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:02:05 AM

It'd be interesting to see how Tony would respond to an overly positive biopic. On the one hand, he's an egomaniac who wants everyone to know that he's the hero. On the other hand, beneath that ego is a self loathing that drives him to act because he feels he must make up for his failures.

So it could go either way with him.

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#108717: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:04:50 AM

Bucky would be a 100% villain,complete with devil horns and dancing around with a folden fiddle

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108718: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:05:49 AM

And Bucky would 100% be okay with that, taking photos with cosplayers on opening night.

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#108719: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:07:18 AM

[lol] He totally would.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108720: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:07:20 AM

Speaking of which, I still hold the headcanon that the 60's Captain America series (and the theme song) still existed in some form in the MCU, given that Cap was presumed dead and a legend at that point.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#108721: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:07:44 AM

As much as people would worship Tony for his sacrifice, I think Bruce would get the bigger adulation since he was the one who brought everyone back.

I mean yeah, it was a team effort. But Bruce was the one who used the Gauntlet and returned everyone back to life. That has a far more direct impact on people's lives, as everyone would've lost someone to the Snap.

I kinda wonder how Bruce would react to that. He's gone from a publicly-feared monster to perhaps the most celebrated hero in the entire universe. He's always been a humble man, so I'd be curious to see how he deals with that kind of attention.

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#108722: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:08:27 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108723: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:13:47 AM

As much as people would worship Tony for his sacrifice, I think Bruce would get the bigger adulation since he was the one who brought everyone back.
I don't think Bruce would have told anyone, considering the considerable guilt he felt about not being able to bring Natasha back. They probably never revealed who did the snap that brought everyone back, just saying that it was "the whole team" who did it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108724: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:17:44 AM

Plus, even if Bruce is essentially Tony the Tiger now, he's still never really sought out the spotlight and has been content to let others be the face.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108725: Sep 4th 2019 at 10:17:48 AM

They would probably have to give some reason for why Hulk has one arm burned beyond usability, and some would theorize the Gauntlet.


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