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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#108676: Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:40:37 PM

Daniel Radcliffe as Gladiator of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#108677: Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:57:52 PM

Though I'd prefer to pivot away from Iron Man's legacy, I kind of think Daniel Radcliffe might make a decent Ezekiel Stane.

Besides, he's got experience playing the role of a previous villain's son.

Edited by M84 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:58:46 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#108678: Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:58:51 PM

[up][up]As long as they call him Mr. Potter at some point.

But on a serious note, Radcliffe playing a villain would be fun. I'd say the same for DiCaprio, but in my opinion his best role was already a villain.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 12:00:04 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#108679: Sep 3rd 2019 at 9:00:03 PM

IMHO his best role was in the aforementioned Shutter Island and he's playing a villain in that one too — albeit of the Villain Protagonist variant.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108680: Sep 3rd 2019 at 9:04:21 PM

Leo obviously has to the play the Two-Gun Kid.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 3rd 2019 at 9:04:31 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#108681: Sep 3rd 2019 at 9:29:53 PM

On the nose suggestion for Radcliffe would be The Hood. Although my more serious suggestion for him would be Andrew Garfield, since the initial premise of him is sort of Wanted staring an evil Peter Parker with magic powers. But yeah, for the same reason, either would work for Roderick Kingsley or better yet Phil Urich.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:30:54 AM

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#108682: Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:43:56 PM

A more obscure choice but I can see Radcliffe making a decent Pete Wisdom, somewhat of a combination of James Bond and and John Constantine. He's got the look and the accent and I reckon it would suit his style.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108683: Sep 4th 2019 at 12:29:57 AM

Ooh, yeah. I like Radcliffe as The Hood. Plus the MCU's yet to do a villain headliner film, which could be interesting.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 4th 2019 at 12:30:23 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108684: Sep 4th 2019 at 12:32:09 AM

Eh, I was never really sold on Parker Robbins myself.

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#108685: Sep 4th 2019 at 12:32:59 AM

What about Parker Peters? tongue

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#108686: Sep 4th 2019 at 12:46:00 AM

How about Elijah Wood? I'd love to see him in the MCU.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#108687: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:20:30 AM

I'm about to watch... The Incredible Hulk!

And yeah, I know it's (mostly) skippable, but I want to watch it nonethless.

Also, Spider-Man: Far From Home is coming on September 17 on digital format (yay! That means I'm watching this one, too!) and October 1 on DVD and Blu-ray.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 4th 2019 at 11:23:55 AM

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#108688: Sep 4th 2019 at 4:25:29 AM

> Who would be a good role for Leo?

Lionheart,cos you know Leo the Lion

Or Spiderman as my first thought said

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#108689: Sep 4th 2019 at 5:40:52 AM

...and I've watched The Incredible Hulk!

Summary: Bruce Banner runs away from the military (runs away from the military and runs away from the military) and tries to get rid of Hulk. And through the end fights another monster.note 

I can clearly tell that Liv Tyler really put effort into portraying Betty Ross. Also, after Obadiah Stane, Emil Blonsky follows suit by becoming the arch-nemesis of the hero and looking similar. Tony Stark appears at the end and informs General Ross that he wants to form a team. My criticism is: a healthy dose of science talk (actually, I'm just kidding, I'm fine with science talk). Hulk barely speaks: that's the actual criticism (I get it: origin story, but I've heard only grunts and "Hulk smash!", and I feel that Lou Ferrigno was a bit wasted). And the villain was kinda boring.

Also, no stingers. Yay!

8/10

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#108690: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:01:54 AM

Also.

General Ross decides to attack the Hulk while in a crowded university and gets away with it.

The closest he had to a punishment is that his own daughter considers him a jerk, but that's all.

I genuinely hope he gets some punishment in phase 4. (If he appears)

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 4th 2019 at 6:29:05 AM

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#108691: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:10:22 AM

You'll encounter stingers for most of these. Not all of them, mind you, but that's the case for the majority. Also, if you consider The Incredible Hulk an 8/10 movie, you're definitely going to have a blast.

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#108692: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:25:31 AM

[up][up]Huh. Never considered that. Sorry.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 4th 2019 at 4:26:35 PM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#108693: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:41:33 AM

While I agree that Endgame isn't Oscar worthy (for being the second half of a narrative, if nothing else), I think Infinity War was snubbed this year.

I didn't need to win, but it deserved a mention among the big ones, not just the technical field.

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#108694: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:54:21 AM

Films like Endgame don;t generally Oscars outside awards for special effects,but thats fine because they're damn good popcorn movies

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#108695: Sep 4th 2019 at 7:01:48 AM

I don't really think there's much that's Oscar-worthy about Endgame.

Also.

General Ross decides to attack the Hulk while in a crowded university and gets away with it.

The closest he had to a punishment is that his own daughter considers him a jerk, but that's all.

I genuinely hope he gets some punishment in phase 4. (If he appears)

This is true. Ross's treatment is one of those "Writers don't really understand politics/law/military/etc." things.

What Ross did in this film is, uh, really bad to put it mildly. He is in criminal violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which expressly forbids military personnel from acting as law enforcement. And in the worst possible way, because every crime gets worse when you start firing guns during it.

As a General of the United States Army, and I cannot express this enough, you. Absolutely. CANNOT. Drive tanks up onto civilian property, unload a dozen armed soldiers, and begin discharging weapons at a private United States citizen. That's a bad, and worse it's a very public one at that.

By all rights, Ross should be facing a Dishonorable Discharge just as soon as the credits finish rolling. His extremely visible, public f*ck-up would warrant an immediate response as soon as the headlines, "United States Army Shoots Up an American College, What The Actual F*ck?!" hit news stands.

The men manning the cannons and firing the guns would probably get booted too. Our military has a whole thing where you're required to disobey an unlawful order. We're not about that "Just following orders" stuff. Ross's order is as unlawful as it gets, so the troops under him would be seen as complicit. Meanwhile, Washington would be eager to purge as many people responsible for this as possible in order to appease the enraged voterbase.

This should never have happened. It is super illegal.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 4th 2019 at 8:05:20 AM

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#108696: Sep 4th 2019 at 7:04:19 AM

“Gee, General, how’d you get away with it?”

“Simple you simpering milquetoast, I stayed off screen long enough for everyone to forget”

“Uh”

“Also go shoot the Hulk. Do it now”

“He’s eating breakfast!”

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#108697: Sep 4th 2019 at 7:12:38 AM

[up][up] In fairness, this is absolutely nothing new for Ross. This trend goes all the way back to Lee and Kirby, IIRC.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#108698: Sep 4th 2019 at 7:19:30 AM

> This should never have happened. It is super illegal.

Shield said it was OK for him to break the laws to capture the Hulk

-Waves hands-

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#108699: Sep 4th 2019 at 8:15:53 AM

Yup, Ross screwed up so bad that he was eventually promoted to the US Secretary of State.

What's sad is that's actually the more realistic outcome for him given recent developments. And I'm only half-joking.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#108700: Sep 4th 2019 at 8:16:45 AM

I have to wonder what became of him after Infinity War.

Obviously he didn't get his way or the Avengers wouldn't have been openly operating for the five year timeskip.

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