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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#108526: Sep 1st 2019 at 11:40:31 AM

I'd joke about making her the new Black Widow, but I doubt it'd go well with... a lot of people.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#108527: Sep 1st 2019 at 12:34:29 PM

[up][up]Here is the specifics via the Sony leaks:

Jessica Drew: Jessica Drew is “shared” with constraints. Marvel cannot portray Jessica with any “Spider” elements. No Spider powers. No “Spider” in her name. Costume is not “Spider-Man-like”. [TBD] if same approach for Julia Carpenter and Arachne.

[up]I mean, we seemingly are already getting a new Black Widow, so...

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 1st 2019 at 12:36:07 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108528: Sep 1st 2019 at 12:42:07 PM

I don’t think Jessica ever had a spider man like costume

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108530: Sep 1st 2019 at 12:59:49 PM

At least they didn't make her resemble a drider,though that would have been cool

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#108531: Sep 1st 2019 at 2:09:41 PM

She has a lot of stuff typical on many costumes and not really specific to Spidey, but when taken into account as her being derivative of Spider-Man (red color scheme, white eyes, web wings, the explicit spider-symbol on her more recent outfit) would probably be a no-no.

Plus, of course, if she can't actually have spider-powers, there'd be no reason to have her in a costume with web wings or a spider logo in the first place.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108532: Sep 1st 2019 at 2:36:27 PM

RE: Jessica Drew as Black Widow: That's actually funny when you realize that's what happened to Jessica Drew from the Ultimate Marvel universe.

She started off as Spider-Woman and when Ultimate Marvel was on its last legs (think during All-New Ultimates), she took the title of Black Widow.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#108533: Sep 1st 2019 at 2:54:20 PM

I think Black Widow is a more appropriate name than Spider-Woman anyhow, even if Black Widow exists as a different hero already.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#108534: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:32:55 PM

[up]Yeah, actually I wont mind if Natasha would devolpt spider powers, it would be intersting.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#108535: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:43:40 PM

[up]Why?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108536: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:45:20 PM

When she moved from being black widow ie femme fatale to being black widow ie like the spider, she picked a fight with Spider-Man out of nowhere to test out her new equipment.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108537: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:45:30 PM

Just because most likely

Also

someone needs to get Spider Gwen into the Cinematic Universe,somehow

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108539: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:49:21 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108540: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:50:35 PM

A monkey's paw curls its finger.

Natasha Black Widow is brought back to life

BUT

She eats MCU Spider-Man.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#108541: Sep 1st 2019 at 3:51:44 PM

And then, MCU spiderman star in Sony universe with Eddy brock as friend.tongue

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108542: Sep 1st 2019 at 4:18:27 PM

Nah,the money's paw would have her come back as a literal spider that lives in the avengers building

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108543: Sep 1st 2019 at 5:30:14 PM

Jessica Drew also barely has Spider-Powers (she sticks to walls, but doesn’t really need it because she can fly. And she also shoots lasers, which isn’t really a spider thing as far as I know.

Marvel basically gave her the standard hero loadout, paid some lip service to her being spider related, and then used her to keep someone else from snapping up the Spider-Woman trademark while making her have jack-all to do with Spider-Man.

They don’t really lose anything on adapting her without “spider” elements, because she barely needed those in the first place.

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#108544: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:26:08 PM

Don't forget her super-pheromones that make her mind-controllingly sexy. Because comics and women.

So if you take away everything Spider-Man related, you're left with Jessica Drew's complete backstory and history, nearly all of her powers, and probably this costume.

Probably can't call her Spider-Woman. That's about it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108545: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:27:12 PM

I'd add something to the pants.

The solid black isn't doing it for me.

Also I think Daken has pheromone powers.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 1st 2019 at 6:27:42 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#108546: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:29:14 PM

[up]Isn’t he also bisexual? Stumbling from one problem to the next, it seems.

Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 1st 2019 at 6:29:55 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108547: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:36:14 PM

He's also a rapist.

And not just "compelled you into having sex with pheromones" but straight up "I'm gonna hold you down & have sex with you against your will while your completely conscious".

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 1st 2019 at 6:36:35 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108548: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:45:46 PM

Noh-Varr, aka Marvel Boy, has mind-control saliva.

And two dicks.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108549: Sep 1st 2019 at 6:46:02 PM

Technically Daken identifies as ace and uses sex to manipulate people. Which is why he targets anyone and everyone.

Still hugely problematic.

Edited by M84 on Sep 1st 2019 at 9:46:46 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108550: Sep 1st 2019 at 7:37:10 PM

The first thing I thought of when I thought “pheromone powers” was Mandrill, who is rightfully never going to be in a movie adaptation of anything, ever.


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