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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108301: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:11:15 AM

The Shape of Water and Beauty and the Beast have shown the “monster thirst” audience can be quite lucrative. XD

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:12:59 AM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#108302: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:12:21 AM

The Shape of Water and Beauty and the Beast have shown the “monster thirst” audience can be quite lucrative. XD

Don't forget the entire Twilight franchise.

People love sexy vampires.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108303: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:13:34 AM

True, though they’re more conventionally pretty than scaly or slimy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108304: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:13:51 AM

and sexy werewolves

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#108305: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:17:14 AM

Also those.

Point is, we, as a species, are tremendously fond of sexy shenanigans with terrifying and dangerous inhuman horrors. Which probably says some unpleasant things about us but I'm not a therapist.

...

Why are we talking about this?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#108306: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:18:59 AM

Because Venom made $800 million.

It was very popular on Tumblr before Tumblr died.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:19:48 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108307: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:19:23 AM

One of the most popular female love interests in Mass Effect is an inhuman alien raptor bird-man.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:22:37 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#108308: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:19:54 AM

[up][up][up]Why should we stop?

Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:20:37 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108309: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:25:53 AM

"Which probably says some unpleasant things about us but I'm not a therapist."

Hey, if aliens are real, we'll do real well out in space. We just gotta enroll all the monsterfuckers into the space program, make them ambassadors.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#108310: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:27:03 AM

Make sure to check for possible allergies, and dextro/levo compatibility.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#108311: Aug 29th 2019 at 11:36:44 AM

[up]Also, protection. Nobody wants to glow.

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108312: Aug 29th 2019 at 12:06:22 PM

> Tumblr died.

Well,the website is still there and people are still using,maybe its more accurate to say its not very fashionable anymore after the porn ban

a website never truly dies until it's no longer being hosted

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#108313: Aug 29th 2019 at 12:25:49 PM

A fair amount of art and gifsets are still being posted daily, even if it's less active than it used to be. It's quieter but still fairly alive and there's people who enjoy its unique ability to let post collections of texts and images interspersed in ways that other social media sites don't let you.

JamieMoon The Bad Witch from The Background World Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The Bad Witch
#108314: Aug 29th 2019 at 12:39:04 PM

I still use it myself, but it does feel emptier now. Also, they pissed off gif makers (including myself, a newer gif maker) recently after they made it so that gifs show up as lower quality gifv files on the dashboard and browsing sections.

"Cold and black and infinite, with nothing left to lose."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108315: Aug 29th 2019 at 12:43:23 PM

It was very popular on Tumblr before Tumblr died.
Tumblr is still alive. Mainly to make fun of Tumblr and how it never makes any money.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#108316: Aug 29th 2019 at 1:19:17 PM

Some of the comments on Tumblr about Venom (particularly the tongue) gave me insights about the human psyche that I wish I didn't.

BTW,

the Symbiote go to Eddie where they realize they both hate Peter Parker, the Spider-Man

This is wrong: the Symbiote doesn't hate Spider-Man, its characterization is closer to a scorned lover than anything. It constantly threatens innocents and those close to Peter to get his attention.

Keep in mind Venom is not only vastly more powerful than Peter (he's stronger, faster, has a wicked healing factor), the Spider-Sense can't track him. If the Symbiote wanted to kill Peter, there's very little Peter could do to argue the point.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 29th 2019 at 5:25:54 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#108317: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:00:48 PM

Tumblr made Verizon lose almost $3 billion dollars. I consider that an absolute win.

Anyway I won't criticize people who saw Venom and ended up liking it or those who went in with good/no expectations and ended up hating it.

The people who went in expecting to hate it and did end up hating it on the other hand... They know what they did.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108318: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:16:52 PM

This is wrong: the Symbiote doesn't hate Spider-Man, its characterization is closer to a scorned lover than anything.

Wait, seriously? I was under the impression that after Peter realized the Symbiote was making him go to a dark place and got rid of it, the Symbiote would hate Spidey for dumping it.

And if the Symbiote targets innocents and those close to Peter, how is that different from hating him? Aren't they mutually the same thing?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 29th 2019 at 5:17:24 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108319: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:23:03 PM

It both loves & hates Peter.

It is furious at him for abandoning it but at the same time will ditch whoever is its current host for Peter if he asks it to come back.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 29th 2019 at 2:23:35 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cross (Don’t ask)
#108320: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:24:08 PM

Guess it depends, but the symbiote about making Peter how much realize that he's weaker without it and how much he needs it. Basically yandere logic.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108321: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:24:16 PM

[up][up] Ah, okay then.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 29th 2019 at 5:24:24 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108322: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:24:20 PM

IIRC, the whole "the symbiote makes Peter more hateful and negative" thing was invented after the fact by Spider-Man: The Animated Series. It's just been used in every adaptation since.

The comics however, as far as I know, have always retained the "jilted lover" concept for it.

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#108323: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:27:21 PM

Yeah. Adaptations like to go with "The symbiote is liquid evil and was making Peter evil" because it's a quick and easy explanation for why he got rid of it.

IIRC, in the original comics, the rationale for discarding the symbiote was because Reed Richards discovered it was alive and Peter thought that was gross.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108324: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:27:33 PM

It has kinda moved on finding the next best thing in Flash.

Sure nothing beats Peter but Flash is a close second & actually wants it around.

And it goes to Eddie when neither of those two are available.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#108325: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:29:49 PM

Flash Thompson as Venom was the best thing that's ever been done with either character, honestly. Two jilted assholes who spent their lives pissed off at people who never loved or wanted them, who took that anger out on others, but who always wanted to be Spider-Man, now leaning on one another to help each other heal.

It was the match made in heaven that seemed so obvious once it existed.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 29th 2019 at 3:31:07 AM

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