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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Star Wars does have a lot of genre potential, owing to itself being a bit of a genre buster. In tone and characterization it’s a pulp throwback, which gives it a lot of avenues for theming as long as the popcorn tension and romanticized heroes are retained (hence working as a western) - a Star Wars horror movie, for example, could work if done right, especially cosmic horror. Genre-wise, it’s sci-fantasy, with potential to bring in elements from either or both as desired (it is not, however, HIGH fantasy or sci-fi, so that only goes so far). It also has a lot of variety in the kind of story old: running the gamut from folklore based to more dramatic to self referential.
The problem isn’t that that it doesn’t have potential, it’s that said potential isn’t really being used outside of side content, and when it is Disney doesn’t really embrace it. I again believe that if Disney has advertised Solo more strongly as a raucous, strange space western first rather than as “the story of your favorite supporting character!” it would have worked better.
It does not, however, have as much sheer potential as Marvel does - it’s worth admitting. Star Wars can do GOTG, but it can’t do Thor. And yes, using that potential is a major factor to its success. But I don’t think that potential alone is the linchpin.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 5:32:15 AM
"Star Wars is advertising on its poster that Palpatine is back...somehow, and that’s why you should care. Because this villain from the original trilogy has returned. And he returned presumably because the First Order went over so badly the original Big Bad, a guy who once proclaimed in Dark Empire that he was the Dark Side incarnate, was the only way to bring the trilogy to a satisfying conclusion. The potential outside of that group of people that is rather small, as is the desire to see further corners of that universe divorced from the main cast."
Disney has his problems but reviving Palpatine is a horrible idea.
What Star Wars needs least is to be Hijacked by Ganon.
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One idea that I would like for Star Wars is that there be more non-human protagonists.
They have a vast universe with thousands of different alien species, and the protagonists are almost always the humans.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Aug 28th 2019 at 6:32:35 AM
Ive been betting that Palpatine only appears as a force ghost, or a hallucination to Kylo. And probably won't be in many scenes.
Like creepy stories? Check out my book!While I do enjoy the ST, I think it would have been better as a whole if the conflict of the films, while keeping many of the same characters, was set further into the future so they didn't have to bank so much on nostalgia. You could probably still have Threepio, Artoo and Chewie in the movies, while having Luke, Leia and Han show up via flashback or something like that.
Still, I don't hate what we have.
Oh God! Natural light!I've skimmed posts in the STW thread that analyze TLJ and TFA as being repeats of Episodes 4 and 5.
I've skimmed complaints about the ST saying they take all of the nostalgic elements of the franchise and either murder them, or try to repackage them in less appealing ways.
If you made "STAR WARS EPISODE 7: The entirely new thing that is only distantly connected to the last 6 films" nobody would watch it. Old fans and audiences would have no reason to see it because it becomes "that thing you liked In Name Only." I don't know why anyone would bother.
And most probably didn't ask for Star Wars to come back for new audiences, nor was it really open to a sequel. It was already a cultural icon that was completely finished sans the Expanded Universe - and that itself was a bunch of fans taking Lucas's toolbox and running wild with it.
Marvel however is reintroducing properties that have existed for far longer than Star Wars has, and characters that have been handled and tackled by numerous hands and minds. It's far easier to bring that back, and be less reliant on nostalgia I guess, because anyone familiar with those characters has already endured years and years of the ideas and cast shifting and changing.
Edited by Soble on Aug 29th 2019 at 7:45:51 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I personally liked how Last Jedi remixes and played with elements of Empire and Return
Forever liveblogging the AvengersKind of funny, that
Marvel is primarily set on one world and Star Wars has many and yet Star Wars has more narrow focus
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe prequels say hello.
Heck, every new Marvel movie that sells itself as being in the MCU but is unrelated to the other characters except distantly (of which we’re getting a lot in the next few years) says hello.
The prequels had Anakin Vader and Young-Ben Kenobi
Also C3PO and R2
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah I mean I wasn't around for the initial prequel hype but wasn't Episode I basically almost entirely advertised on the "Darth Vader as a kid" concept?
Edited by LordVatek on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:53:05 AM
This song needs more love.The main draw of Episodes I-III was finally finding out WTF the Clone War is and, more importantly, getting to witness Darth Vader's Start of Darkness (as well as that of the Empire as a whole).
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So...remember when everyone went and spent money to watch Venom because of that one tiny microscopic possibility that Tom Holland would appear as Peter Parker, only to be disappointed that no such event happened and they just spent money on a subpar anti-hero movie?
Apparently Tom Holland DID film a scene for Venom, but Marvel told Sony to cut it.
...Anyone suspecting Sony leaked that on purpose to drum up sympathy again?
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Very suspicious. I'm suspecting that Sony leaked this to see if letting Disney keep using Spidey will be worth it by saying "ooh, we filmed a scene for Venom with Tom Holland in it, but big bad Marvel wouldn’t let us keep it boo hoo hoo" and seeing what reactions pop up.
If the majority is all "wth marvel," then no new Spidey deal. If the majority is "good. Sony sux ass," then yes new Spidey deal.
Though it's entirely possible this is our imagination talking, considering how sneaky Sony and Rothman have been, I'm not entirely disregarding the possibility...
Point is, I’m with Marvel on this call.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 29th 2019 at 12:47:14 PM
Dunno, if anybody was going to leak the deal falling apart, I would assume it's Disney trying to use fan outrage to leverage a more favorable outcome for a lengthier period of time. Even if they both have some face to lose, I think Disney is confident they could weather the storm a little more readily than Sony could.
Edited by Khfan429 on Aug 29th 2019 at 9:51:14 AM

One of the last novel arcs before the decanoning did have Jedi vs elder god type creatures
Also whatever the hell Waru was
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 28th 2019 at 7:38:47 AM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers