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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#108201: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:30:55 AM

I thought the reason Solo "bombed" was because it was so overbudget (from most of the film having to be re-shot).

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#108202: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:31:30 AM

[up][up] Pretty much. Go ahead and not watch if you want, it’s that “voting with your wallet” means nothing by itself with no clarification on what you’re voting for or against. Which not buying a ticket does not give.

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Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:33:22 AM

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#108203: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:32:08 AM

[up][up]Solo bombed because of budget and people just being soft on the brand after TLJ. Coupled with an unfavorable weekend to open and people didn’t come out.

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#108204: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:34:28 AM

It should have been about the Wookie instead!

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#108205: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:36:13 AM

When was that a thing? Solo bombed, but this is the first time I've heard "Everybody boycotted the film so that Disney would make the Boba Fett movie they were already making" offered as a reason for why.

Really? That was everywhere. “Yadda yadda they didn’t make the movie(s) we wanted, so we’re going to boycott them until we do.” Boba Fett wasn’t always the rally cry, but it was commonly cited focal point for “we want this instead, so let’s tell them with our wallets that they should make he movies we demand” (Obi-Wan was another).

It was trending for a while, there were petitions and everything.

I’d even go as far as to say it’s one of the more common reasons I can recall Star Wars fans giving for not seeing the film. That and “I didn’t like TLJ, so I’m going to avoid them until they make a movie I do” which amounted to the same thing. Eventually it all kind of rolled together.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:40:41 AM

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#108206: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:38:02 AM

I didn't know or care about that drama. I saw Solo at release and it was too fucking dark. Like, I couldn't see what was going on. And then it turned into a generic heist film that felt like it was doing amateur cosplay of the Star Wars universe.

Frankly, as a heist film, it was reasonably good. It's when it stuck brand labels all over itself and attempted hamfisted continuity nods that it started to grate.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 28th 2019 at 2:39:24 PM

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#108207: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:38:56 AM

it sounds like they needed more lens flair

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#108208: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:39:38 AM

Solo was doomed from the moment they came up with the idea. It's a movie made for nobody.

On paper, the idea of a Han Solo movie sounds like a license to print money. But then you start adding asterisks to it.

  • Asterisk: Harrison Ford, the actor who made Han Solo famous, is too old to play Han Solo in this film. He will be replaced by some guy you've never heard of and don't careabout.
  • Asterisk: The Expanded Universe that made Han Solo one of the biggest characters in Star Wars history for the big Star Wars nerds is decanonized. This is a new version of the character that you don't care about, while all of your favorite books are rotting in the garbage heap forever.
  • Asterisk: Han Solo hasn't aged well for younger, more progressively-minded audiences so his popularity isn't exactly what it once was.

And when you're done tallying up the asterisks and excluding all the audiences who have a grievance with the Not-Harrison Ford New-Canon Adventures of a Memetic Creep, the question is left: Who is actually supposed to be excited to see this movie?

The answer, it seemed, eventually wound up being "Nobody."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:41:43 PM

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#108209: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:39:43 AM

The cinematographer for Solo was the same one for Arrival. The smoky, obscuring atmosphere worked great for that film, but in a popcorn space western... debatable.

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#108210: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:39:58 AM

I saw the movie while half asleep. Don’t remember too much of it. I’ve also been reading the marvel comic adaptation and I can state conclusively for the record that the movie ought to have been a romantic comedy between Han Solo and Chewbacca

There are many moments in the movie or the comic of the movie that seem like they’re leaning that way

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 28th 2019 at 2:41:04 PM

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#108211: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:41:45 AM

> romantic comedy between Han Solo and Chewbacca

including a scene where Han breaks up with Chewie resulting in his arm nearly getting his arm torn off?

while "My heart will go on" plays

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#108212: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:44:06 AM

I think Chewbacca is more likely to break up with Han

They’re amiable exes but it just wasn’t working between them. Han is like a manic pixie dream guy and that’s nice for a little but Chewie is mmblemmble hundred years old and wants stability

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#108213: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:44:18 AM

I think it would have been funnier but also more messed-up if it played during Chewie's rampage after Han's death.

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#108214: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:45:09 AM

When you live as long as Chewie does, humans are just a summer fling.

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#108215: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:45:43 AM

Yeah Solo really wound up suffering from So Okay, It’s Average in the end.

Like it’s adequetly made but the only shocking or interesting scene in the whole film was Maul’s appearance at the end.

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#108216: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:46:05 AM

Plus, they can rarely handle his physical affection!

Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:47:26 AM

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#108217: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:51:00 AM

Solo was also the point where I started realizing that public perception of Star Wars still receives it as kind of niche and not quite mainstream, despite how big it is.

I was in a position to canvas a lot of opinions about it at the time, and the biggest one I remember receiving from general audiences was “I’m not that big a fan, so I don’t think it’s for me,” even if they’d followed all the films and such. They saw it as a movie for deep Star Wars fans, then also saw deep Star Wars fans shunning it, and decided to skip.

The biggest thing Disney should have done was advertise it as a space western first and a Star Wars side movie second (and also advertise it more, period), but instead they hinged on the Star Wars name alone to guide them through, only to fail.

Misplacing their mistake (as studios tend to do) may have also played a key role in Disney’s culling the side films: they released it expecting something similar to releasing Ant-Man in the MCU (that is, “hey, a new Marvel movie to follow!”), and instead they ended up with what might have happened if they released Ant-Man in, like, the 90’s (that is, “I dunno. It’s kind of niche.”). So (as studios tend to do) they concluded Star Wars side movies can’t work.

Which is a shame. I really liked Solo as a classic Lucas-style pulp adventure.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:00:32 PM

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#108218: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:56:32 AM

> When you live as long as Chewie does, humans are just a summer fling.

Or so us Mayflies think

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#108219: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:02:24 PM

[up][up] Let’s hope Disney’s learned their lesson with The Mandalorian.

Also with Johnson’s upcoming trilogy.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:02:47 PM

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#108220: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:40:00 PM

Solo failed was due to a number of reasons, but this biggest one was: they released it in May, instead of December. Disney had released all three previous Star Wars films in December to take advantage of the Christmas audience, but for some reason, they decided Solo would premiere in May where it was immediately overshadowed by Avengers: Infinity War, which had come out a few weeks prior.

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#108221: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:41:22 PM

Disney beat Disney

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#108222: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:43:23 PM

The Expanded Universe that made Han Solo one of the biggest characters in Star Wars history for the big Star Wars nerds is decanonized.

What's the deal with that? I'm only vaguely familiar with the old Expanded universe, and I don't know anything about what Han Solo did there. The only Expanded universe book I read was a little novel about a group of OCs, one of whom being the guy who pushed the button to fire the Death Star, and another of whom was a plant guy.

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#108223: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:50:52 PM

I remember Han and Chewie once being compared to Chewie being the owner of a messy but heroic dog.

Does this make post-TFA Chewie John Wick?

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#108224: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:51:56 PM

Chewie not getting more focus in any of the ST films is a crime. But then, him not getting more focus in any of the OT films is also a crime. New decade, same old mistake of treating the Wookie like a walking carpet.

I don't actually remember much of what Han himself did in the old-EU. I know that in the Next Gen era one of his kids turned to the Dark Side (lol) and became Big Bad for a while, but of the main OT trio he's the only one I don't really remember anything of what he did himself. Luke did a bunch of things in the Old EU, Leia did a bunch of things in the old EU, and Han was there.

Flipside, I do remember that fan perception of Han was a lot better up until almost literally the moment they announced he was getting a movie, though, at which point he went from "one of the main trio" to "obscure character who doesn't deserve a film" practically overnight, which only worsened after TLJ.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:53:05 PM

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#108225: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:52:20 PM

Star Wars vs. Marvel being a total Squash Match in favor of Marvel was admittedly unexpected, I'll say.


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