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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108176: Aug 27th 2019 at 11:22:52 PM

I could see HYDRA assuming that Loki was keeping tabs on them enough to know about their presence, but not care. Especially if, in the coming days or weeks, Thor told anybody about Heimdall.

Come to think of it, there is a good chance Loki or Thanos knew about HYDRA, and just didn't care enough to target them for any reason. It's not like they had any reason to consider one militarized Terran organization any more exceptional than any other - they didn't consider SHIELD a threat, why HYDRA?

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#108177: Aug 27th 2019 at 11:29:35 PM

I recall some people saying that Loki's "The Reason You Suck" Speech to Natasha about "working for liars and killers" could suggest he was aware of HYDRA to some degree, though how much is unknown.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108178: Aug 27th 2019 at 11:40:22 PM

Oops, wrong thread.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 27th 2019 at 11:41:29 AM

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#108179: Aug 27th 2019 at 11:49:31 PM

I think liars and killers could equally describe any intelligence organization

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#108180: Aug 28th 2019 at 10:18:11 AM

Wasn't there a line in Avengers that implies that Hydra is working with Loki? I think the mind controlled Hawkeye says "SHIELD has other enemies" in reply to how they managed to get so much equipment and team so fast.

One of the mind controlled SHIELD agents could have spilled the beans for Loki too.

Edited by Akirakan on Aug 28th 2019 at 10:21:29 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108181: Aug 28th 2019 at 10:29:09 AM

Given that HYDRA effectively was SHIELD at the time, looking retroactively it likely wasn’t them. It might have been a hint initially, but if so it’s very vague.

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#108182: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:02:21 AM

So Spider-Man: Far From Home is getting its extended cut out into theaters tomorrow.

People.

I know FFH was great, but PLEASE. Vote with your wallets by not paying to see this extended cut.

Tell Sony that they don't deserve your money if they're just going to take Spidey away from the MCU.

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#108184: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:05:18 AM

“Spider-Man is... MATT MURDOCK!”

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#108185: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:06:21 AM

actually its a scene of Peter suddenly dying in a dramatic fashion

"Tony..I feel...fine"

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108186: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:06:22 AM

Isn’t Disney the one refusing to renegotiate atm, not Sony?

Either way, I never got around to seeing this again in theatres (unlike Avengers, where I saw it like three times before the extended release, so I didn’t see the point in going again) so I might see it again.

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#108187: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:08:18 AM

  • Beck: Spider-Man is... TONY STARK!!!
  • Jameson: Well, that doesn't sound right at all! Goddammit, can't I just have ONE THING that isn't about Tony Stark?! ONE THING. That's all I want.

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#108188: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:08:56 AM

*Re-release does badly.*

“Whoops, this proves nobody misses MCU Spidey.”. [lol]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:10:49 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#108189: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:11:42 AM

That’s another thing. Playing chicken with film studios is a bad idea, since kiboshing is always safer than retrying when fan bases aren’t stable.

See also: Star Wars fans thinking boycotting Solo would get them a Boba Fett movie, only for Disney to conclude that side movies weren’t profitable instead and cancel all their planned character films... including a potential Boba Fett movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:13:15 AM

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#108190: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:12:28 AM

wild mass guessThe rebooted spiderman is literally going to be a child between the age 10-12

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#108191: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:15:49 AM

See also: Star Wars fans thinking boycotting Solo would get them a Boba Fett movie, only for Disney to conclude that side movies weren’t profitable instead and cancel all their planned character films... including a potential Boba Fett movie.

When was that a thing? Solo bombed, but this is the first time I've heard "Everybody boycotted the film so that Disney would make the Boba Fett movie they were already making" offered as a reason for why.

That said, I agree with your general assertion. I remember years ago when fans wanted to organize a boycott of all Fox-driven X-Men and Fantastic Four films so that they'd tank, Fox would stop making them, and the rights would revert to Marvel. That boycott never actually went anywhere, but IIRC Marvel Studios did release a statement on it.

Basically, it amounted to, "You shouldn't be trying to make the X-Men and F4 movies fail. I know you want us to be making those movies instead, but even if we got the rights back, why would we make movies about franchises that the public has proven disinterest in?"

See also: Ghost Rider being relegated to a short appearance on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the dumping grounds for characters Marvel doesn't really care about. He's getting his own show now because he wound up being super-popular on Agents, but the fact that Agents got first dibs on him in the first place rather aptly demonstrates the company's position on the character's films.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:19:01 PM

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#108192: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:19:19 AM

You know, voting with your money only really works when you can make clear what you’re voting for.

Anyone can not watch a movie for any number of reasons. One could simply not like reboots or sequels or extended cuts.

Point is: voting with your money is the same as voting for a candidate- if that’s the only thing you’re doing, you’re not really saying anything specific beyond “I approve of this”.

Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:26:09 AM

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#108193: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:20:27 AM

I was about to make some snarky mocking comment on this, but then I remembered I went to see FFH twice, with the second time being with my mom because we wanted her to see it. So uh, guilty.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#108194: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:24:07 AM

Yeah, "voting with your wallet" never made much sense to me, because it's not like not buying something sends a comprehensive list of your reasons why to the company.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108195: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:26:00 AM

Wait, so it might not be a good idea to boycott FFH's extended cut?

Especially when we don't know whether it's Disney or Sony playing hardball at the moment?

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#108196: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:26:28 AM

Well,they don't get your money and you spend it on something else

To quote The Critic

"If the movie sucks just don't go"

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#108197: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:29:43 AM

Honestly, I'd be interested if Sony even kept The Stinger for the re-release. If they did, they're at least interested in following this plot thread even if the deal with Marvel Studios fell apart. If not, then we should be really concerned about Tom Holland's future in the role.

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#108198: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:29:57 AM

Voting with your wallet makes perfect sense. If it's a good product, you should buy it. That tells the company it's a good product. If it's a bad product, you should not buy it. That tells the company it's a bad product.

Protesting with your wallet is where things get wonky. If you don't buy a ticket to the Extended Cut, all that tells Sony and Marvel is that you are not interested in the Extended Cut. It says nothing else.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108199: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:30:04 AM

[up][up][up] Except the movie IS good and it's the top brass behind the movie that sucks.

I just don't want another Spider reboot, all right?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 28th 2019 at 2:30:18 PM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#108200: Aug 28th 2019 at 11:30:23 AM

Yeah, but in this case the issue isn't that the movie sucks. It's that the maker/s of the movie are being stupid and we want to express our anger at them.

[nja]

Personally, I'm not big on rewatching extended cuts anyway. I'll wait for a description of what was added or wait for the Bluray.

Edited by danime91 on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:32:09 AM


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