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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108101: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:19:36 PM

The explanation I heard is that Eitri, being almost no-one's fool, built the Gauntlet with a backdoor that could be exploited by Stormbreaker

I wish that it had been stated in the movie because that's pretty rad. Its Thanos getting screwed over for being such a dick to the dwarves.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#108102: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:28:24 PM

Makes me wonder if they had a similar "back door" weakness built into Mjolnir as IIRC that was the strongest thing Eitri made prior to the gauntlet (and later Stormbreaker.)

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108103: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:34:24 PM

In case Thor ever went MAD WITH POWER Eitri would walk up to him and say "Gorr was right"

And Thor would be like "Whomst?" and suddenly Mjolnir would go thunk and he'd be unable to pick it up again

But I think probably not. Nidavellir was an allied state of Asgard's and they might not have needed to make precautions against them and also it would be undiplomatic if it were discovered.

But Thanos is a big purple asshole who rolls into town and starts extorting doomsday weapons out of you with threats of violence and plans to do a Very Bad Thing so slipping in a secret weakness is worth it.

Thanos ended up killing all the other dwarves and dunking Eitri's hands in molten metal but he would have done that anyway on principle.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:37:05 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#108104: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:36:11 PM

If they did have a backdoor for Mjolnir, I wonder if that's how Hela was able to get around its enchantment and destroy it.

Also, I hope we'll see Eitri again in Love and Thunder. We don't know what happened to him in Endgame, and last we saw he was left alone on Nidavellir with his people still dead. I hope the Asgardians picked him up to live in New Asgard or something.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#108105: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:16:20 PM

With Magneto's age: just make up a new Brotherhood mutant whose power prevents aging.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108106: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:16:25 PM

I assume the worthiness clause was the backdoor.

It's just that Hela was still somehow worthy.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#108107: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:17:48 PM

But Odin's the one who made the worthiness clause, in Thor 1.

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Brightness
#108108: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:24:04 PM

Hela was Mjolnir's original owner, I was under the impression that that's how she was able to snatch it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108109: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:24:42 PM

That too.

Come to think of it, maybe that's why Thor is more powerful with Stormbreaker.

Mjolnir may have suited him (and helped him channel and focus his power) but it wasn't made for him the way Stormbreaker was.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 26th 2019 at 10:25:36 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#108110: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:24:54 PM

[up][up] Hela never wielded Mjolnir. Thor threw it at her, she held her hand up so it hit her palm, and had enough strength in her hand to completely cancel out its momentum, and crush it to bits for good measure.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#108111: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:29:34 PM

At one point of time.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#108112: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:46:51 PM

I'll be honest. I want Lady Thor to get Gungnir. Odin had a badass spear that never gets used.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#108113: Aug 26th 2019 at 11:46:26 PM

There was one concept art for Valkyrie back when The Dark World was still in production that had her wielding a spear of some kind.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108114: Aug 26th 2019 at 11:55:46 PM

Gungnir was likely destroyed in Ragnarok.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#108115: Aug 27th 2019 at 12:30:37 AM

Is it really Gungnir without copious amounts of kickboxing and Celtic rock though?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108116: Aug 27th 2019 at 6:07:19 AM

Someone on Twitter came up with a take of the D23 teaser for WandaVision.

There wasn't ACTUAL footage shown, but clips from The Dick Van Dyke Show spliced with moments between Vision and Wanda. Also the music gets progressively creepier.

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#108117: Aug 27th 2019 at 6:31:08 AM

If Hela can overpower its magic enough to destroy, then there's no reason she can't overpower its magic enough to merely block it.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108118: Aug 27th 2019 at 7:12:10 AM

[up][up] "I'm so confused and excited." Me, too, sister. Me, too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108119: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:15:30 AM

[up][up]

Well, Odin said it was meant to focus power, maybe limit it so it didn't get too out of control.

Is it possible that....maybe when Hela rebelled, she ditched the hammer because she realized it was actually holding her back?

And as such, her destroying it was something of a middle finger to Odin, and to show Thor how far above him she was?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108120: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:22:20 AM

Well.

I'm not going to name names, but some things were said on Twitter regarding myself and the Spider-Man situation, so I've opted to lay off Twitter (and the Spider thing) for a while.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 27th 2019 at 11:23:47 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108121: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:22:41 AM

Bad things I take it?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108122: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:23:20 AM

im guessing some mean trolls were involved

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108123: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:28:32 AM

[up][up], [up]:

For context: Mikey Sutton, who was one of the first to report the initial Disney/Sony deal to share Spider-Man stated that the companies might have something in a week.

I was just casually replying to someone who was asking about Sutton when a different someone replied saying it isn't happening and we should move on and was overall being a buzzkill.

I blocked them and then they went and called me an "Autobot shill".

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 27th 2019 at 11:28:52 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108124: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:30:36 AM

....... Well that's an unrelated insult.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 27th 2019 at 8:37:23 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108125: Aug 27th 2019 at 8:34:33 AM

[up][up]

Wow. That was uncalled for.

I can't blame you for getting out of there. That was clearly gonna go bad.

Edit: So, when they finally go all in with Nova, who do you think they'll use: Richard or Sam?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 27th 2019 at 9:36:18 AM

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