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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108026: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:50:53 AM

Disney can afford to be without Spider-Man for a while.

Yeah but that cliffhanger tho...

Tangentially related, Disney+ won't host R-rated content.

So Moon Knight will probably be a strong PG-13 at most.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#108027: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:51:54 AM

That sounds to me like they're going to serve adult content by charging extra

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#108028: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:52:07 AM

Prior to the MCU, the three most popular Marvel characters, by a landslide, were Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Hulk. Iron Man was straight-up a B List character.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#108029: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:52:43 AM

On PG-13 Moon Knight: That's fine. So long as it plays like an out of context episode of a David Lynch production, I'll be happy.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 26th 2019 at 12:53:21 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#108030: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:55:26 AM

[up][up]I'd add Blade to that list though it's hard to tell how many knew he was a Marvel character.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#108031: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:59:42 AM

@Ultimatum: Or they could just relegate the R-rated stuff to Hulu and advertise it as a perk of getting the Disney+/Hulu/ESPN bundle.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#108032: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:04:41 AM

[up]Both Ghost Rider and those adult cartoons are heading to Hulu, so yeah, more synergy than a Handmaid’s Tale / College Football / Frozen bundle.

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#108033: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:24:30 AM

Meanwhile at disney

"Fine,we'll just make..Spider woman and add her to the Cinematic Universe,in your face Sony!"

"How are you going to explain her appearance and Peter's disappearance?

"Well you,Peter is in hiding and she's from another universe.."

Spider-Woman is an ex-Hydra super-soldier with no connection to Peter Parker or Spider-Man whatsoever, so explaining her appearance actually wouldn't be difficult at all. I don't know if the two characters ever even met before Peter joined the Avengers in the early 00's.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:26:23 AM

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#108034: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:26:42 AM

[up] I'm pretty sure that Sony still has the rights to Jessica Drew, though, despite the tenuous-at-best connection to Spider-Man.

At best, Marvel might be able to squeeze "Jessica" (without any last name) in as a Lawyer-Friendly Cameo in, say, Captain Marvel 2 without bringing in any Spider-related stuff (with the possibility of later pulling a Canon Character All Along, like the kid in Iron Man 2 who later got retconned into being Peter Parker) without running the risk of giving the higher-ups at Disney a headache by prompting Sony to attempt a lawsuit.

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 26th 2019 at 1:33:50 PM

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#108035: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:28:25 AM

I think any reasonable judge would, after a months-long legal process, rule that Jessica has no connection whatsoever to the Spider-Man rights that Sony holds.

But because she has "Spider-" in her name, Sony might get uppity and decide they have a right to sue, and that's a headache Disney doesn't want to deal with.

The question isn't really "Who has the rights: Disney or Sony?" The question is "Is winning the legal case really worth needing to present a legal case in the first place?"

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:29:06 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#108036: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:29:29 AM

[up][up][up]That's the first time I've seen someone claim Jessica not being connected to Peter makes her story easy to explain.

Edited by windleopard on Aug 26th 2019 at 10:29:52 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#108037: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:30:00 AM

Could go with Jessica Webstar as a name,too on the nose,maybe?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108038: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:30:47 AM

Jessica Drew's backstory rivals Donna Troia's in terms of "WTF?".

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2019 at 1:31:55 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#108039: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:32:38 AM

[up]I'd say Jessica's back story is just standard superhero tragedy. Donna's backstories are what you tell people if you want to see if you can melt their brains.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#108040: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:35:30 AM

See how Disney anounce an X-Men movie with Tom Holland playing a new mutant called Pete Park with a secret past that he avoids to talk about, and his powers being super strength, super agility and the ability to sense danger.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#108041: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:38:50 AM

Also he can talk to arachnids for some unexplained reason,he can also fly

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108043: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:44:14 AM

[up][up][up][up]Don't forget that in the original comics in the seventies she was an actual spider-human hybrid.

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2019 at 1:45:17 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#108044: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:44:22 AM

Also he can talk to arachnids for some unexplained reason

Just like Spider-Man!

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#108045: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:46:00 AM

I read the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman miniseries recently

Her origin is so simple they devoted a whole issue out of a four issue miniseries retconning it.

But honestly it really is simple they just needed to take up an issue to explain how simple it was.

The government started a program to make their own superheroes that would be under their control, Val Cooper Bad Friend tricked college roommate Julia into the program under false pretenses, had her injected with a bunch of spider juice and told her it was a mistake, bam superpowers.

[up] Does he enjoy talking to spiders more than Spider-Man did?

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 26th 2019 at 1:48:02 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108046: Aug 26th 2019 at 10:54:21 AM

They missed a golden opportunity to name Spider woman "Charlotte" because,you know,Charlotte' web

geddit?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#108048: Aug 26th 2019 at 11:02:52 AM

I'm just going to quote this from the contract, since I brought it up earlier in regards to Jessica Drew:

" 'Jessica Drew' and specifically listed related characters. SPE may depict Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman, and Marvel may only use her without any Spider-Man-related elements. "

"Marvel and SPE must each notify the other of any intended use of these shared characters."

And just as another reminder:

>SPE has the exclusive right to utilize the “Spider-Man” character and the other Creative Elements listed in Paragraph 1 above to (a) develop and produce live action or animated theatrical motion pictures (each, a “Picture”) and live-action television series (and also animated television series with episodes longer than 44 minutes), during the Production Term, and (b) distribute, advertise and otherwise exploit in perpetuity any motion picture or television series that commenced production during the Production.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Aug 26th 2019 at 2:05:27 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#108049: Aug 26th 2019 at 11:10:06 AM

That sounds to me like they're going to serve adult content by charging extra

They're just putting adult stuff on Hulu, which is what they've been saying for a while.

Edited by comicwriter on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:11:11 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108050: Aug 26th 2019 at 11:13:41 AM

[up][up] Why does that contract make me groan?


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