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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108001: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:08:41 PM

[up][up] That already is his role everywhere else.

Its what completely defines him as the ultimate revolutionary. He's so straight he's a point, with no crooks or anything.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 25th 2019 at 10:09:08 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#108002: Aug 26th 2019 at 1:38:11 AM

[up][up] I often wonder the same thing regarding Magneto. It seems obvious to me.

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#108003: Aug 26th 2019 at 2:08:57 AM

There is also an option of having Magneto's parents being survivors of the Holocaust when they were young, and Magneto grew up knowing the horrors his parents endured but never knowing what it's really like to be in that position, and thus think they could have solved all their problems if they acted sooner. It's an idea that Roy Westerman floated about, and I think it may offer a new, more relevant insight about the legacy that the Holocaust left behind.

Erik was born to two Holocaust survivors who immigrated to the US in the 70s. They told Erik all about the horrors they encountered and deplorable acts they've seen men capable of doing. Erik was disgusted to learn of these things, but also angry that his parents did nothing to stop it, putting their faith in a "deaf god".

When Erik learned he was different he became distrustful toward other humans and extremely paranoid that this would happen to him and people like him.

Edited by Shadao on Aug 26th 2019 at 2:16:30 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#108004: Aug 26th 2019 at 3:24:03 AM

How would his parents be able to stop it?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#108005: Aug 26th 2019 at 7:02:14 AM

...well, you can't totally expect a kid to be rational about those kind of things.

Also....is it weird that despite being an Old Shame both in and out of universe, I actually like the fact that the classic champions was such a diverse group?

I feel like there was a real Ragtag Bunch of Misfits thing there.

But I'm insane so what do I know?

Edit: and while it was a few pages ago, I wanted to acknowledge this:

I want to give Xavier a break. He was basically the main character of Fox's reboot trilogy. Despite being the titular X in the X-Men, there have been many incarnations of the series that didn't involve him. In the comics, Charles Xavier was the man who got the ball rolling, and he does still turn up from time to time as either a voice of wisdom or to cause trouble.

But that ball's been rolling just fine on its own for a long time, and Xavier often winds up estranged from the cause he founded. Usually he's either dead or everyone's pissed off at him about one flagrantly unethical use of his powers or another. Point is, the ever-present adaptation dynamic where Xavier is the Big Good shimmering leader that all the X-Men revere and worship for his undying wisdom and grace hasn't actually been a thing in the comics for a very long time either.

But while the comics have been doing it forever, the adaptations have basically never explored the idea of the X-Men without Xavier.

I've stated that I've never liked the numerous skeletons they've stuffed in Charles' closet. Him being imperfect is one thing; making mistakes is one thing, but some of the shit they have him do went way too far.

I actually have no issue with the cause moving on without him, but for the love of god, don't reveal he secretly kicked a baby in the face and hid it or some shit.

Comics have an issue with not knowing when to dial back the flaws, until the character becomes utterly tainted and radioactive.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 26th 2019 at 8:25:39 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#108006: Aug 26th 2019 at 7:27:52 AM

Silly Rob, Charles can't kick a baby. His legs don't work!

BrightLight from the Southern Water Tribe. Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#108007: Aug 26th 2019 at 7:33:43 AM

So...

Apparently Spider-Man is now out of the MCU.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108008: Aug 26th 2019 at 7:46:36 AM

> Silly Rob, Charles can't kick a baby. His legs don't work!

he mentally kicks said baby

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#108009: Aug 26th 2019 at 7:59:41 AM

He leaves a psychic bootprint in the kid's head. For the rest of his life, the kid feels like he got kicked in the back of his head, but he'll never know why.

The legend has returned.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108010: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:17:13 AM

So in WandaVision, Kathryn Hahn is playing the "nosy neighbor." But who wants to get that she's actually playing Agatha Harkness?

Edited by alliterator on Aug 26th 2019 at 8:18:10 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108011: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:20:27 AM

Makes sense. Agatha Harkness more or less is the nosy neighbor from hell.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#108012: Aug 26th 2019 at 8:51:54 AM

Has there been any official statements confirming this? The problem I have with this whole thing is how everything seems to be based on rumor and Word of Saint Paul.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:55:33 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108013: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:06:26 AM

The only statement we know is that Hahn is playing a "nosy neighbor." The rest of the cast's characters have been announced, however, Hahn is the only one we don't know about.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#108014: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:14:40 AM

[up] on the Spider-Man situation I mean.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#108015: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:23:40 AM

So...

Apparently Spider-Man is now out of the MCU.

For now.

Has there been any official statements confirming this? The problem I have with this whole thing is how everything seems to be based on rumor and Word of Saint Paul.

Not sure if you meant the nosy neighbor thing or the Spider-Man thing, but if it's the latter:

There have been no official statements.

("But but those statements Holland and Feige made on ET and/or EW!")

Those are just PR tricks people like them use to get people off their backs. Of course everyone would want to talk about the Spider-Split, but it’s way too early for Feige or Holland to really confirm or deny anything, so the best they can do are non-answers.

(Actually, some folks on Twitter noted that in a video he recently did regarding the situation, Holland's body language suggested he was uncomfortable about what he's saying, almost as if someone was feeding him what to say.)

Look, I know everyone is scared, and I'm scared AF too! But we have to be strong about this. Rome was not built overnight and James Gunn wasn't rehired overnight either.

Spider-Man is arguably THE face of Marvel and neither Disney nor Sony want to be the villains here. For all we know, negotiations are happening for a new deal that makes both sides happy.

Have faith.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 26th 2019 at 12:25:46 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108016: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:25:18 AM

It seems like Disney doesn't value Spidey as the "face" of the MCU that much. At least, they seem to be giving higher priority to X-Men.

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2019 at 12:25:29 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#108017: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:26:11 AM

I suspect Disney wants to keep Spider-Man as well, too, because he's practically the face of their new ride in Disney's California Adventure.

[up] Disney has no plans for the X-Men for at least four or five years. Hell, they haven't even released New Mutants yet.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 26th 2019 at 9:26:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#108018: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:26:25 AM

Considering the X-Men's rep has been tarnished most severly, they do deserve more attention than Spidey.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108019: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:27:53 AM

the xmen and Inhumans will be buried in the same cemetery

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#108020: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:28:11 AM

It has already been mentioned that Disney might want Feige to focus on making their X-Men IP actually worth something.

They're not totally hopeless after all. It's not like they're the Fantastic Four.

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2019 at 12:28:48 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#108021: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:39:49 AM

Disney might want Feige to focus on making movies that make money for Disney instead of for Sony. That's really what it boils down to. Sony was basically being allowed to rent space in the MCU for pennies.

The Sony/Marvel deal was something you don't see very often in film, and the reason you don't see it very often is because it's a bad deal that fundamentally screws one of the parties involved. Sony was fine with the deal because the party getting screwed was Marvel, but now that Marvel doesn't want to get screwed by it, Sony has no incentive to continue.

If Sony has to split the profits that Marvel earned for them to the point that they might as well just make their own movies, then they might as well just make their own movies. At the end of the day, Spider-Man is their ball, and if they want to take him and go home, that decision rests with them.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 26th 2019 at 10:45:01 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#108022: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:44:29 AM

We've hit point where the MCU is what determines the popularity of the character, not the other way around. Disney can afford to be without Spider-Man for a while.

This song needs more love.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#108023: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:46:25 AM

Meanwhile at disney

"Fine,we'll just make..Spider woman and add her to the Cinematic Universe,in your face Sony!"

"How are you going to explain her appearance and Peter's disappearance?

"Well you,Peter is in hiding and she's from another universe.."

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#108024: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:47:27 AM

Personally, I’m trying not to speculate too much until something official comes out.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 26th 2019 at 12:48:08 PM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#108025: Aug 26th 2019 at 9:48:01 AM

Ehhh...

The MCU has added to the number of superheroes people recognize, but most people still only recognize a few at a glance. I would argue that Batman, Superman, Spiderman and Iron Man (thanks to the movies) are nearly universally recognized. That has value.


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