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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107926: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:32:00 PM

The right side also appears to be black & white.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107927: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:36:17 PM

She looks like she has devil honrs,hmmm
That's just her classic headpiece. Even when she got a better costume, she still had it.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107928: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:37:09 PM

If they can pull of the tiara and not have it look dumb, there will officially be no costume that the MCU can't pull off.

Except Kitty Pryde's second outfit. Nothing will save that.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 25th 2019 at 6:37:42 AM

This song needs more love.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107929: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:37:40 PM

Why the headgear though?I assume there's a reason other then "it looks cool"

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107930: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:38:34 PM

Except Kitty Pryde's second outfit. Nothing will save that.
I'm sorry, are you saying there's something wrong with this costume? Because first of all: how dare you.

[nja] Dammit, ninja'd by the person who I was responding to. Oh the humanity.

[up] But it is pretty cool.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 25th 2019 at 3:39:18 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#107931: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:39:53 PM

It used to look dumber

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107932: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:43:35 PM

Magneato's is dumber

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107933: Aug 25th 2019 at 3:47:40 PM

wild mass guessWanda starts wearing the headgear because she's cosplaying Catra from the new She-Ra series and then never takes it off.wild mass guess

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 25th 2019 at 3:48:43 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107934: Aug 25th 2019 at 4:47:04 PM

So it's probably way too early to think about X-Men, but with them coming, think we'll see Magneto being Wanda's dad? (Or are we done with Magneto altogether?)

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107935: Aug 25th 2019 at 4:48:47 PM

If we are lucky we won’t get Magneto.

Him, Prof. X, & Wolverine got way too much focus as is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#107936: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:03:22 PM

I can see the father that died with their mother being their unknow step-father, with their mother running away from Magneto when she saw how an extremist he was.

Honestly, is a double edge-sword. Or either you don't use Magneto now and lose all the narrative potencial he has with Wanda, or you use him way later when Olsen already left the MCU, and whe are in a weird situation where both his children exist in the continuity, but are unimportant.

But well, I suppose there's always Polaris for that.

Edited by eligram on Aug 25th 2019 at 8:04:39 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#107937: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:06:04 PM

Okay, here's my theory on WandaVision.

The "sitcom" isn't a hallucination so much as a constructed reality that Wanda created, perhaps without meaning to, as a reaction to her grieving over the death of Vision. Essentially, she creates a world where she can have an idealized suburban life with the Vision. Perhaps she just wakes up in the sitcom reality without consciously understanding how she got there or that her own powers are responsible for it.

The seemingly random supporting characters, are actually part of a team assembled to pull Wanda out of this reality. However because of the properties of the sitcom reality, reflections of them exist as well. So we get to see both the Darcy we are familiar with from the Thor movies, and Darcy-as-a-suburban-sitcom-character.

The one important exception to this is the "nosy neighbor" character introduced at D23. That character is actually a servant of Nightmare who is trying to corrupt and transform the sitcom reality into a bridge from the Nightmare World into the main MCU reality.

Thanks to the influence of Nightmare's servant, the sitcom reality slowly transforms from an overly idealized suburban environment into an absolute horrorshow.

Ultimately Wanda has to accept Vision's death, and in doing so is able to collapse the sitcom reality, destroying the servant of Nightmare and preventing anyone from using it as a bridge into the main reality.

Now aware of the looming threat of Nightmare, she seeks out Doctor Strange both for help and with a warning about Nightmare. Her last scene in the series is walking into the New York Sanctum and her first scene in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is her explaining why she's there to Doctor Strange (and anyone in the audience that didn't watch the Disney+ show).

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107938: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:06:26 PM

Unless they retconned it again, Magneto hasn't been Wanda and Pietro's father for a while.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107939: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:07:35 PM

It’s only been like 3 years or so since Axis (Terrible event BTW).

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107940: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:07:53 PM

hmm?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107941: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:07:55 PM

Why sitcoms? Was I Love Lucy all Wanda watched back in Sokovia? Seems unusually cheery for her initial goth-ish aesthetic.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 25th 2019 at 5:09:40 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107942: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:09:04 PM

Wouldn’t surprise me.

American television is popular all over the world plus depending on the place they may only get older shows.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 25th 2019 at 5:10:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107943: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:13:23 PM

Darcy-as-a-suburban-sitcom-character.

INB4, she's basically Max Black with the serial numbers filed off.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#107944: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:36:32 PM

[up] x5 Why was it terrible?

Just Makima.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#107945: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:37:20 PM

Why sitcoms? Was I Love Lucy all Wanda watched back in Sokovia? Seems unusually cheery for her initial goth-ish aesthetic.

I don't know what the in-universe explanation is, but there was apparently a very popular Vision comic where he lived a sitcom-esque life with a created family, and this seems to be taking from that.

Actually, could Wandavision end with Vision coming back to life for good? A lot of people seem to be assuming not, but this would be an easy way to bring his character back.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#107946: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:40:38 PM

[up]x4 That's kind of my thought as well. The idea is that Wanda is familiar with the older American sitcoms because they aired in Sokovia, and the idealistic portrayal of suburban family life she saw in them stuck with her on some level, even if she understood that they weren't reflective of reality on a rational level.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#107947: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:40:53 PM

[up]x2 If Paul Bettany wants to come back. Which he might not given the heavy make up required for Vision, but that's just a hypothetical.

Edited by Aleistar on Aug 25th 2019 at 8:41:25 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107949: Aug 25th 2019 at 5:59:31 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] For one it was another heroes vs heroes event.

Only this time the heroes turned evil so they tried to kill each other. It’s where Superior Iron Man came from.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107950: Aug 25th 2019 at 6:00:15 PM

[up][up] Dammit, that would have been awesome, but I guess they didn't have time.


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