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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#107876: Aug 25th 2019 at 8:22:48 AM

Burnside would probably be the new Griffith, who has a fanbase who says he did nothing wrong even though he’s a huge piece of shit.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107878: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:37:26 AM

Burnside's deal was more than just hating communists; he started hating and attacking everyone who he didn't deem a "real" American, like black people or immigrants.

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#107879: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:39:47 AM

[up] Exactly. Burnside doesn't really fit if you pigeonhole him into "Dude just hates Communists", but over the years since the retcon, he's become exactly the kind of general-purpose "REAL 'MURICA" bigoted asshole that would make a perfect antagonist for Sam and Bucky.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107880: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:47:26 AM

Huh.

He'd be pretty topical in this day and age actually.

Maybe use both him and Walker, with the latter having a nasty Heel Realization about who he's fighting alongside. Sort of like someone who's friends or acquaintances with a dude who says a lot of shit, but doesn't really understand just how serious the other guy is until he sees it in practice.

This forces Walker to completely re-evaluate his own position on things and decide just who he is....all while still being something of an asshole himself.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107881: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:59:00 AM

[up] I mean, that's basically what happened in the comics with John Walker.

Walker was a government-sponsored hero called Super-Patriot until Captain America discarded his name and started going by "the Captain" (long story). So the government tapped Walker to become the new Captain America, but they only wanted one sidekick (which was Lemar Hoskins, called Battlestar), so Walker left his two previous sidekicks behind (they were called "Left-Winger" and "Right-Winger" — yeah, Mark Gruenwald wasn't exactly being subtle). They became pissed at this, though, so they revealed Walker's identity to the public.

The problem, however, was that Walker had gone undercover in the Watchdogs, a group of right-wing racists. Walker even expressed sympathy with some of their views, even if he didn't agree with the whole racism thing. But when the Watchdogs learned Walker was the new Captain America, they killed his parents. And Walker went nuts, killing a bunch of Watchdogs and then setting fire to Left-Winger and Right-Winger.

Afterwards, he gave up being Captain America and the government gave it back to Steve, but Walker decided to become U.S. Agent. He's still an asshole, but a more honorable asshole. Like, he lost an arm and a leg during Siege, but refused to get robotic replacements, because he felt it would make him too much like Nuke and he didn't want to go down that path. And then, during Sam Wilson: Captain America, a group of conservative businessmen ask him to take the shield back from Sam Wilson, but he refuses, saying that Steve gave the shield to Sam and he would never do anything that was against Steve's wishes. (Of course, Hydra Steve himself then shows up and tells him to do it, but still.)

Edited by alliterator on Aug 25th 2019 at 10:59:35 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#107882: Aug 25th 2019 at 10:59:13 AM

[up][up][up][up]That was actually pretty cool.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#107883: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:11:34 AM

[up][up]I recall him having both arms and legs when I last saw him. How'd he get those or am I misremembering?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107884: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:26:07 AM

I recall him having both arms and legs when I last saw him. How'd he get those or am I misremembering?
During his run with the Dark Avengers, he was thrown into an alternate universe where June Covington regrew his arm and leg using a modified Venom symbiote. Yes, I know: comics!

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#107886: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:29:09 AM

[up][up]That...actually makes sense, considering Venom has one hell of a Healing Factor, who's to say you can't make a limb-growing medicine or treatment be studying its properties?

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 25th 2019 at 3:30:08 PM

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#107887: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:30:03 AM

[up][up] This just makes me think more and more that Disney was really expecting Sony to eventually take an offer to renew the Spidey MCU contract.

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 25th 2019 at 2:30:27 PM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#107888: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:41:16 AM

Random thought. Now that Blade is in the MCU they could have him wear his Spider Hero costume.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#107890: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:53:30 AM

[up][up] Probably not without inviting a lawsuit from Sony.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
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#107892: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:57:04 AM

[up] Well, Bucky seems to gone back to 1940s normal with shorter hair and more professional clothes.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
rollin' on dubs
#107893: Aug 25th 2019 at 11:57:25 AM

Any word on the status of the Sony-Disney spat?

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#107894: Aug 25th 2019 at 12:01:16 PM

[up] Kevin Feige and Tom Holland are both saying MCU Spidey is done.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107895: Aug 25th 2019 at 12:09:34 PM

New Quinjet-based ride that will take you around MCU settings. Think Star Tours.◊

Are those Annihilus' drones?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#107896: Aug 25th 2019 at 12:50:15 PM

Walker is a jackass, but he’s a jackass with a firm set of morals and a belief in right and wrong.

Also doesn’t Universal still have the rights to attractions on these characters? Guess they’re getting overhauled with the new Nintendo license?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107897: Aug 25th 2019 at 12:51:50 PM

Universal has theme park rights to several Marvel characters in Florida specifically. Everywhere else is fair game, and Disney can build a few in Florida for characters Universal doesn't have rights to, such as the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 25th 2019 at 12:52:05 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#107898: Aug 25th 2019 at 12:52:46 PM

[up] Well, Bucky seems to gone back to 1940s normal with shorter hair and more professional clothes.

It sure did take him awhile to get around to getting his hair cut.[lol]

On a more serious note, this could be an indication that the series will touch on Bucky trying to live a somewhat normal life.

He's spent all his time since escaping Hydra either on the run, frozen, living in relative seclusion, or dusted. He's never had a chance to settle down for a bit.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107899: Aug 25th 2019 at 1:40:07 PM

Yes, more characterization of Bucky, please. He got some in TFA and some in TWS, but hardly any in Civil War and the two Avengers films he was in.

DragonKent17 The Game Master from The City of Angels Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

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