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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107776: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:37:31 AM

They also Gemma Chan is Sersi in The Eternals. By the by, Gemma Chan also played Minn-Erva in Captain Marvel. Man, I remember way back in SDCC 2019 when they announced that Mahershala Ali would be playing Blade and everyone was all "But he also played Cottonmouth in Luke Cage! So this means that the Netflix shows are definitely non-canon! They would never cast the same actor twice in two roles! (Pshhh, Alfre Woodard doesn't count.)"

Suck it, those people.

Also, Kit Harrington is playing Dane Whitman and honestly? Yeah, I can totally see that. I do wonder if they'll have MI-13 make an appearance in the film, because I would love to see Pete Wisdom and especially Faiza Hussain in the MCU.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107777: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:38:54 AM

Tom Holland is now on-stage at D23.

Because he's in the Pixar movie Onward.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#107778: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:41:01 AM

Cloak & Dagger moving from Freeform to Disney+[1]

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107779: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:42:03 AM

[up][up] Great, now I'm somehow picturing an audience member in the back shouting "I'll pray for you, Spider-Man!"

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 24th 2019 at 2:42:55 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107780: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:45:54 AM

Cloak & Dagger moving from Freeform to Disney+
Huh, that's interesting. They aren't even going to air it on Freeform first? Perhaps the ratings weren't doing so well, let me check.

Oh boy, yeah. The ratings for C&D on Freeform sucked. It never even got over a million and the second season was barely doing 0.3 million. I know it's a cable show, but those still aren't good numbers. Moving to Disney+ was probably saving it from cancellation.

But also: Cloak & Dagger is made by Marvel Television. And now it's on Disney+. So Jeph Loeb was completely correct.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 24th 2019 at 11:47:00 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107781: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:48:26 AM

> "Great, now I'm somehow picturing an audience member in the back shouting "I'll pray for you, Spider-Man!"

Speak of the Devil...

People were yelling about Spider-Man from the back but it was too loud in here for Holland to hear it #D23Expo

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 24th 2019 at 2:48:50 PM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#107782: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:50:08 AM

What's the average Freeform show ratings like?

Edited by ComicFan on Aug 24th 2019 at 11:50:53 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107783: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:52:52 AM

Professor Hulk test footage.

[up] Grown-ish is one of their more popular shows and you can see that it doesn't do great in the ratings, but it's doing better than C&D.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#107784: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:53:18 AM

Tom Holland walked off the stage saying "I know it's been a crazy week, but from the bottom of my heart I love you 3000."

Ball's in Sony's court.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 24th 2019 at 2:54:24 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107785: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:53:56 AM

Tom Holland knows...

Tom Holland: "Listen, it's been a crazy week, but I want you to know, I am grateful from the bottom of my heart, and I love you 3000." #D23Expo

I'm not getting emotional, you are!

EDIT: [nja]

> Ball's in Sony's court.

What do you mean?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 24th 2019 at 2:56:45 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#107786: Aug 24th 2019 at 11:57:52 AM

[up]Just that it's up to Sony to try and sell their new MCU-less Spider-Man when it seems like everyone, including Holland, would rather he stay in the MCU.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107787: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:06:07 PM

Just that it's up to Sony to try and sell their new MCU-less Spider-Man when it seems like everyone, including Holland, would rather he stay in the MCU.

Yeah...good luck doing Spidey without Marvel Studios, Sony.

I’m betting that anything Sony says regarding Spidey at this point in time will only get everyone to just riot.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#107788: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:36:17 PM

Then either not say anything or renegotiate.

Just Makima.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#107789: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:37:31 PM

To me it’s looking pretty clear that Disney is trying to use pressure from MCU fans to force Sony into taking a bad deal.

Disney already has an unbelievable amount of money, if they would just scale back their offer to taking less than 50% of the proceeds this wouldn’t be an issue.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#107790: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:38:43 PM

Honestly, as someone who doesn't like Soney films, does like Spider-Man and want him to get treated well I'm willing to sacrifice the quality of his movies to serve Disney a taste of humble pie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#107791: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:40:07 PM

Apparently the offer was never for 50%

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#107792: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:44:06 PM

Almost certainly not original to me, but I have a mental image of Mickey Mouse wearing the Infinity Gauntlet and saying, “I am inevitable” and a figure representing Sony replying, “I am Sony.”

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107793: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:49:57 PM

I know I said I wouldn’t take sides anymore, but I still think Sony thinking they can do no wrong based on Venom and Into the Spider-Verse strikes me as a red flag.

Something like Venom 2 can only benefit from the MCU touch.

And weird realization, allegedly, Rothman and the top brass at Sony had no faith in Into the Spider-Verse and just thought it'd go nowhere. They were wrong.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 24th 2019 at 3:50:17 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107794: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:57:22 PM

Of course it’s a red flag.

Venom is only enjoyable explicitly because of its lead actors improv & with Spider-Verse they have yet to prove it’s the rule & not the exception.

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#107795: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:58:05 PM

Honestly if Sony keeps the whole Spider-Man film rights, they should just let Miller and Lord run wild with Spider-Verse and maybe Venom. It's for the best, lest we have another Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Edited by VengefulBale on Aug 24th 2019 at 2:58:16 PM

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#107796: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:58:56 PM

Disney already has an unbelievable amount of money, if they would just scale back their offer to taking less than 50% of the proceeds this wouldn’t be an issue.

70/30 Sony/Disney, according to the last report we've heard on the matter.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 24th 2019 at 1:59:17 PM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#107797: Aug 24th 2019 at 1:05:34 PM

Almost certainly not original to me, but I have a mental image of Mickey Mouse wearing the Infinity Gauntlet and saying, “I am inevitable” and a figure representing Sony replying, “I am Sony.”

Considering what happens right after that...

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#107798: Aug 24th 2019 at 1:07:56 PM

Tom's "it's been a crazy week" does bring up a good point (although I don;t think it's what Tom intended). It's only been a week since the news of the Disney/Sony fallout broke. A week.

While I'm generally not an optimist about these sorts of things, but I think it's entirely possible the debacle can be or will be settled in a month, or even 6 months. I'm not convinced this is a done deal yet.

I still think a couple solo Sony-produced Spidey films with Tom Holland and the rest of the cast isn't going to do any harm.

Edited by Brandon on Aug 24th 2019 at 1:09:33 AM

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#107799: Aug 24th 2019 at 1:15:37 PM

I still think a couple solo Sony-produced Spidey films with Tom Holland and the rest of the cast isn't going to do any harm.

I think if Holland continues spiting Sony in public, it's going to only increase the likelihood that Sony recasts and reboots rather than making solo-produced Spidey films with him.

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