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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#107701: Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:35:20 PM

So HYDRA has face-melting technology? Why didn't they just use that in World War II and/or the modern day?

The legend has returned.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107702: Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:37:06 PM

[up] That wasn't HYDRA. That was a Chronicom. They are alien robots, basically, and they want to make Earth their new home.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:37:45 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107703: Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:59:14 PM

You know what I really want to see adapted in She-Hulk?

The Trial of Captain America. We have Old Cap now, it could happen.

But they might need another character to stand in for Daredevil. tongue

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107704: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:00:24 PM

I hope She-Hulk breaks the fourth wall again.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#107706: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:10:14 PM

[up][up][up]Depends on when the show comes out. If the show airs more than two years from now, they could totally have Daredevil involved.

On that note, just from looking at that picture on the trope page All-New, All-Different Avengers looks like a possibility, given most of those characters are introduced and poised to make a difference in the coming years. But I’m still holding onto my pet theory that the next lineup might be a New Avengers adaptation. After the two years are up it’d possible (and I doubt the next Avengers movie is going to get made within the next few years), and it thematically fits where the universe it at right now.

[up][up] Imagine if they made it, like, a superhero law reality show? That’d be both fun and hilarious, and she could break the fourth wall to her heart’s content.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:13:10 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107707: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:15:55 PM

So...hey, remember how that dumb false leak had something about Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends?

Turns our it's for a new Disney Junior show.

It's called Spidey and His Amazing Friends. Yeah.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:17:36 AM

DragonKent17 The Game Master from The City of Angels Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The Game Master
#107708: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:20:15 PM

[up]And a bummer that it's just Spider-Gwen/Ghost-Spider and Miles rather than Iceman and Firestar

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#107709: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:24:06 PM

A project involving Spider-Man by Disney when the companies ARE NO LONGER WORKING TOGETHER! IMPOSSIBU!!!

Just Makima.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107710: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:31:08 PM

It'd be hysterical if She-Hulk's first client on the show turned out to be Spider-Man.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107711: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:37:26 PM

[up][up]Doesn't Sony have nothing to do with the current crop of Spidey cartoons? I thought that was part of the reason a Spectacular Spider-Man revival was nigh impossible; that was done by Sony, while all the recent Spider-Man cartoons have been done in-house at Marvel.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#107712: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:40:48 PM

[up] Sony has some TV rights to Spidey, such that Disney can't make a live-action Spidey show or have Spidey characters/concepts appear in their other live-action shows, nor can Disney have Spider-Man characters appear in animated material that exceeds 40 minutes (hence why Spider-Gwen doesn't even get mentioned in the longer Marvel Rising episodes despite being one of the main characters in the 20-minute shorts).

The Kingpin seems to be the exception to this rule, having appeared in both the Netflix Daredevil show and Into the Spider-Verse, possibly as another "shared custody" arrangement like Marvel/Disney had with Fox regarding Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and average Skrulls (as opposed to big-name Skrulls like Kl'rt and Veranke, who fell completely within the Fantastic Four movie rights).

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:44:41 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107713: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:57:02 PM

The Kingpin seems to be the exception to this rule, having appeared in both the Netflix Daredevil show and Into the Spider-Verse, possibly as another "shared custody" arrangement like Marvel/Disney had with Fox regarding Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and average Skrulls (as opposed to big-name Skrulls like Kl'rt and Veranke, who fell completely within the Fantastic Four movie rights).

Which is funny when you realize Kingpin used to be stuck with Fox along with the other Daredevil characters during the 2000s.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107714: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:03:32 PM

What's really funny was Spider-Man: The New Animated Series had the Kingpin, and Michael Clarke Duncan reprised his role from Daredevil.

Since the cartoon was supposed to continue from the first Spider-Man 1 movie, that implied the Raimi Trilogy and Daredevil were set in the same continuity despite being produced by separate companies.

Or it's just a simple in-joke you shouldn't read too deeply tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:04:38 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107715: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:11:00 PM

There hasn't been a really good Spiderman cartoon since 2008.

There's been the potential, but never quite fully realized.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107716: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:12:30 PM

And they are already milking the hell outta Miles & Gwen.

There’s somewhat of a limit you can take over seeing characters with the near exact same powers constantly teaming up over & over again.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107717: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:17:00 PM

Yeah, even Ultimate let Peter do his thing as the only spider before they went nuts with the Web Warriors.

I did like Marvel's Spider-Man at first, but them not knowing what to do with Miles, in addition to not letting Peter really establish himself before introducing more Spiders (among other issues) kinda killed my like for it.

My ideal Spiderman would look like Marvels in his costume, look like Ultimate as Peter, and have Spectacular's....everything else....

But that ideal is beyond my reach.

One Strip! One Strip!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#107718: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:17:36 PM

So Coulson and HYDRA are back...

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107719: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:25:16 PM

Bad news if you were expecting Sam Wilson to take the Captain America name.

Evidently, he WON'T adopt the name. He'll stay as The Falcon.

Not sure how to feel about that...

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107720: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:32:35 PM

[up] I think he's saying that he's going to be both. Captain America did give him the shield, after all, meaning that he's the new Captain America. But the show apparently will be exploring their pasts as well, so he'll also be the Falcon, too.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#107721: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:43:05 PM

Just call him Captain Falcon.

HYES!

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107722: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:44:32 PM

@Soble: It's... complicated.

You see that's not actually Coulson, but an LMD that has his memories. The original died between seasons 5 and 6.

And then there's Sarge, but that's entirely different matter.

I also just realized that of the initial team, half have been replaced by a duplicate at some point.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:47:36 PM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#107723: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:00:05 AM

```SHE-HULK?! HOLY SHIT! I thought there was issues with making movies/shows with her because of Universal?```

According to the Huffington Post, you're right about the Hulk cast having a roadblock. Unlike Spider-Man, the issue isn't film production rights, but rather just the film distribution rights.

"Marvel owns the film production rights to the Hulk, which is why they’re able to use him in The Avengers."

"Distribution rights are the right to actually put the film into theaters. They make the film prints of the film, they make the deals with the theaters and they make the final call on the release date of the film and how the film is released (video on demand, etc).

"Universal Pictures [had] a ...deal. They initially had the film production rights on the Hulk, as they produced the 2003 Hulk film. The film production rights eventually reverted to Marvel, who produced 2008’s Incredible Hulk. Universal, though, continued to distribute the film under a [open-ended] deal where Universal would get the first chance to distribute any future Hulk movie."

"Disney tried to get the distribution rights from Universal, but Universal is uninterested in selling."

I think a major distinction here is that She-Hulk will be a television series, rather than a full-fledged theatrical or direct-to-video film. Unlike Sony, Universal never had any lingering television legal tapes with Hulk to prevent any distribution of the show without fees attached.


Speaking of legal tape, I think it might be possible to introduce Jessica Drew (but not as Spider-Woman) into She-Hulk as a substitute for Trish Walker.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Aug 24th 2019 at 3:00:52 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107724: Aug 24th 2019 at 12:07:48 AM

Randall Park returning as Jimmy Woo makes me hopeful he'll show up in the Shang-Chi movie.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#107725: Aug 24th 2019 at 1:27:20 AM

I leave for one day and we're suddenly getting Moon Knight in the MCU. AND She-Hulk. AND Kamala Khan.

Truly, I should leave my house more often!


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