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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107476: Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:21:30 PM

[up][up] The Doc Ock currently running around is a backup mind safe-guarded in a robot made before Ock gave up Peter’s body & died for real.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107477: Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:37:34 PM

[up]Honestly I expected weirder.

This song needs more love.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107479: Aug 22nd 2019 at 7:59:25 PM

Via Variety.

One insider said that Disney was partly motivated to walk away from the negotiations because it wants Feige’s full attention on the newly-acquired Fox properties. After “X-Men: Dark Phoenix” bombed, one person familiar with Walt Disney Studios said co-chairman Alan Bergman insisted talks with Sony end. Another insider disputed “Dark Phoenix” as a motivator, but said Bergman led the charge on the Spider-Man deal.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#107480: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:00:37 PM

Sony's public statement on the matter did claim that maybe Disney wanted Feige to focus more on their other properties.

Disgusted, but not surprised
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#107481: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:10:32 PM

In a way it makes sense. The X-Men are a much more viable property for building an entire mini-universe around than whatever Sony is attempting with Spider-Man. Deadpool, X-Factor, X-Force, the various teen/school spin-offs like the New Mutants, Generation X or Academy X...that's not even counting potential solo movies for characters like Wolverine, Storm, Cable, Gambit, ect...

Possibly even more so than the Avengers, the X-Men are basically a universe unto themselves. Fox sat on that gold mine for as long as possible before they finally pulled the trigger on Deadpool, but there's a lot of untapped potential there.

Edited by comicwriter on Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:06:19 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107482: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:41:01 PM

So, Dark Phoenix is partially responsible for this mess?

It's not often you see a film that can kill two franchises at once. But Dark Phoenix found a way.

Okay, I joke. But still... this isn't really helping matters.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:41:25 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107483: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:42:34 PM

Right. I don't know what's what anymore.

Until we get 100% factual claims on everything and no sudden nope! That's wrong! stuff, I'm just gonna hate everyone.

And when we do get the above, I'll hate them with a reason.

Because I just want Spiderman in my MCU, and all this other shit is just in the way. That's it. If it's in the way, it's no good.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107484: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:44:49 PM

Man did Dark Phoenix taint the name of the X-Men.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#107485: Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:58:35 PM

Why do I expect at least one Take That! at Fox in a potential Marvel X-Men movie?

Nearly everyone is looking pretty bad on the Spider-Man issue. Hopefully, someone will make sense of it and things could work out.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107486: Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:03:59 PM

Definitely expect some in Deadpool.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107487: Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:04:25 PM

I don't really see any version of this where Disney doesn't eventually get Spider-Man sooner or later. They just have to sweat it out.

This song needs more love.
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#107488: Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:28:34 PM

Yeah. But how do you do that without them looking too bad?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#107489: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:11:57 PM

Having not seen Dark Phoenix yet, what exactly is wrong with it?

Like creepy stories? Check out my book!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107490: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:13:58 PM

Have you ever seen X-Men 3?

Because amusingly they both somehow have the near exact same problems. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:14:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107491: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:15:12 PM

[up][up][up]Best case scenario for them would be a bunch of bombs in a row causing Sony to practically beg Disney to save their franchise.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 22nd 2019 at 1:15:27 PM

This song needs more love.
Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#107492: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:19:17 PM

[up][up] A bunch of characters are killed off for no reason?

Like creepy stories? Check out my book!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107493: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:34:52 PM

[up] Huh, who died in Dark Phoenix?

I can only think of Mystique the moment.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:36:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107494: Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:53:37 PM

Having not seen Dark Phoenix yet, what exactly is wrong with it?
It's bland and ultimately pointless. Read this review if you want to know more.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#107495: Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:06:43 PM

It's sobering to realize that the only adaptation of the Dark Phoenix storyline that didn't completely muck it all up was the Nineties Animated series' take. And that's because it was largely faithful to the comics.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107496: Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:09:18 PM

Which is sad cause the Dark Phoenix Saga has such an epic scale it could potentially rival the Infinity Saga in the realms of awesomeness.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107497: Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:13:46 PM

The only way the Dark Phoenix Saga could work today would be if they made an X-Men TV show and had it go for five seasons and the Dark Phoenix Saga would literally be the entire fifth season.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#107498: Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:14:29 PM

The Dark Phoenix saga also had years of build-up and consistant characterization to play off of. It's like the Death of Superman. If you cant build up to it, it has no impact.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#107499: Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:22:36 PM

Oh hey its Jay Edidin of Xplain the X-Men!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#107500: Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:16:17 AM

So is it appropriate to yell JEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAN here


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