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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#107251: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:12:36 AM

That's why I have to believe they'll eventually work something out.

There's too much at stake to just give up on it

Disney may be greedy, but they're also smart

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#107252: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:26:34 AM

If Sony is in a financial crunch walking away and canceling the CURRENT makes even less sense, you'd at least think they'd keep the highly profitable current deal intact as Holland is only contracted for one more film, then work on a new ongoing deal with Marvel/Disney.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#107253: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:29:44 AM

Two more films, actually.

There aren't even any Spidey movies planned for the next two years. This will play out much like the James Gunn situation, if for nothing else than the fact that Spider-Man is more popular than Guardians of the Galaxy by ,like, a mile

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#107254: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:31:06 AM

Huh, never heard of the "cartoon under 40 minutes" stipulation, but it does make sense. Well... shit.

As for how the movies will deal with Peter's absence, I think they might not even bring it up. Aside from the fact that most of the heroes didn't have as strong a bond with Peter as Tony did, it would leave things open on the slim chance Sony and Disney managed to work things out.

If they do reference it, it'll probably be pretty vague and not reference Peter by name. Like, someone might say "And no one's seen the kid in years" in the middle of a conversation to explain why Spider-Man isn't around for the next team-up.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#107255: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:32:27 AM

In a year or two we'll be getting "Scarlet Spider" movies with the character Ben Reilly. Played by Tom Holland with his hair dyed blonde.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#107256: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:36:25 AM

Disney only has the rights for animated series with a runtime less than 40 minutes. They don't have live action rights.

I just... don't understand why this is a thing. This sounds counter-intuitive and petty. Who writes these contracts?

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#107258: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:38:25 AM

[up][up][up]...I kinda want that now.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Aug 21st 2019 at 11:38:40 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107259: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:45:34 AM

We will have series of movies starring Night Monkey, played by Tom Holland.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107260: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:47:51 AM

I don't care who's to blame.

<Points at Disney and Sony>

FIX THIS. NOW.

I wish I could demand a boycott of both companies. Marvel too, because they probably did something to cause this mess.

Yeah, I'm being ridiculous. I've never had a good head for business. I don't care. I want my proper Marvel universe, and all this idiots are screwing it up. Maybe if I'm ever in their position, I'll think differently, but for now....

<Points at Disney and Sony>

FIX THIS. RIGHT !@#-ING NOW.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107261: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:55:19 AM

I think it's likely that a deal would be worked out... eventually. Holland's Spider-Man is way too entrenched in the wider MCU, and vice versa, for both sides to just call it quits.

There should be at least someone in Sony smart enough they are essentially committing career suicide by doing this.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#107262: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:55:43 AM

Give it a few months.

The James Gunn situation worked itself out, there's no reason this won't. And as I said, Spider-Man is way more popular than the Guardians.

No way are they just throwing in the towel now

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#107263: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:12:20 AM

I think I'm on Sony's side of this whole mess, honestly. The whole reason they agreed to this arrangement was under the idea that it would make them more money than trying to make their own Spider-films, given the dismal financial spiral their Spider-films were under.

Disney made them a billion-dollar movie? Okay, but Disney's also asking for a 50/50 split under the new deal.

Spider-Man: Far From Home made $1.1 billion. If Broken Home matches it under the 50/50 deal, then Sony makes $550m off of it. By comparison, the lowest-grossing Spider-film Sony ever made was Amazing Spider-Man 2, which hit $709m.

The old deal was "You don't get to use Spidey in your movies and we do in ours, BUT we'll make movies that reverse the downward trend Spidey's under and pull in insane MCU cash for you."

The new deal is "You don't get to use Spidey in your movies and we do in ours, and also your take is kind of shit. You could probably just churn out low-budget rights-preserving trash and make more money than we're offering."

50% of a billion-dollar movie isn't a billion-dollar movie anymore. If the MCU deal is going to tank Sony's earnings from the franchise, where's the incentive for them to maintain it?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107264: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:18:51 AM

[up] Wait, I thought the new deal was Disney would co-finance future Spider-related movies like Morbius and Venom 2.

(Which by the way, if it means Venom 2 won't end up being boring generic trash and Eddie gets to have the big white spider chest, then I'll be all for it.)

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#107265: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:22:33 AM

[up] And Disney's lawyers and whatnot were almost certainly going to negotiate down from the initial 50/50 offer (but still above the 5% that they were getting). Disney aren't a pack of morons wearing suits, they have a pretty solid grasp on how to do everything related to filmmaking, including contract negotiation.

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 21st 2019 at 11:26:26 AM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#107266: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:23:57 AM

[up] That's what I thought too, Sony won't get 50% of one film every few years, but 50% of ALL Spider based films with the possibility of multiple films in a single year for very minimal work as Disney/Marvel would STILL be doing all the creative heavy lifting and covering 50% of the costs of all those films, Sony would most likely still retain Distribution right and have to fork over more production costs. But at the end of the day...Sony in the long run would come out ahead on this deal.

The only way this would make sense is if Sony was suddenly able to make billion dollar films, the short answer is...they can't.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107267: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:25:09 AM

Right. Are we clear on exactly what the deal is?

Seems there's still a lot of confusion about what's going on.

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#107268: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:27:05 AM

If Broken Home matches it under the 50/50 deal, then Sony makes $550m off of it.

Wait, I thought that was a joke, based off of the split happening here.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107269: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:29:08 AM

Nobody knows what the deal is. Everyone is just speculating.

[up] Yeah, it was a joke on Reddit. The other joke was Spider-Man: Homeless, which I also like.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 21st 2019 at 8:29:43 AM

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#107270: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:29:53 AM

[up] I have said the same thing with the Netflix cancellations. #SaveDaredevil

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107271: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:31:12 AM

It would be really funny if Disney and Sony re-did the deal and then they had Matt Murdock show up in the next Spider-Man film as the Parker's lawyer.

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107273: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:48:33 AM

Any chance this is going to end with Disney doing what they did to get the rights to the X-man back? Namely, buying Sony Pictures outright? I know I said that was unlikely before, but still, it's worth thinking about.

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#107274: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:54:54 AM

I said the same thing,if Disney hadn't just purchased Fox then maybe but these deals take AGES and I don't think they'd think its worth their time

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#107275: Aug 21st 2019 at 8:54:55 AM

Unlikely. Sony is still doing pretty well isn't it?

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