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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#107226: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:58:58 AM

[up][up]So Disney got profit from everything about Spiderman except the Spiderman movies profit?

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#107227: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:00:02 AM

Disney's offering to have Spider-Man interacting with other Marvel superheroes, which is something everyone's been wanting since the MCU got big?

Which is useless to Sony, who doesn't get money from those films. They mightnote  care if Disney actually offers money for the crossovers, but Disney's not going to do that since it'd severely hamper their own ability to use Spider-Man

And while Venom made back its money and then some, it was not a critical success, which MCU movies turn out to be.

Which matters to the actual studio because...?

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107228: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:03:48 AM

[up][up][up] ...

Because the Superhero whose rights they own was in the MCU at the time. What other superhero franchise were they gonna make?

And anyway, what about Brightburn?

[up][up]Yep.

KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from Kanda Island Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Interesting Person #928
#107229: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:24:23 AM

Every time I see this, I resent having watched Venom more and more. Both because the film is incredibly disappointing and because No Such Thing as Bad Publicity must've been a great reason for its commercial success.

Then again, as per negotiation rules, you have to start with a higher bid than you'd actually accept, but not an offer so outrageous that will offend the other party (which is what Disney did, it seems). So yeah, both sides got cocky and screwed everything up.

... And that's called jazz!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#107230: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:12:38 AM

aren't merchandise sales the greatest part of a franchise's income?

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#107232: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:25:51 AM

I see them coming back to the table in due time, I mean both companies LIKE money and the MCU is a Powerhouse. Its not clear (I can't find out one way or another) if Holland and Co. Contracts is with Sony or Disney/Marvel. If its the former then yeah they can use Holland but that brings its own problems. Holland is contracted for three solo films, Marvel/Disney had plans for 4, but that was before this mess started. So the 4th film is now REALLY up in the air. Its possible that the team will fill out its contract and walk after the third film which would mean yet ANOTHER reboot unless a deal is struck.

If the contract is with Disney/Marvel then Sony may have to buy out that contract to get Holland...and that is if Holland wants to make the film for Sony, he could walk and well that WOULD be a disaster.

Disney in a way DOES have Sony over a barrel, since any true continuation of FFH will involve the larger MCU in someway and given the spat might be harder to do the third film if they have to purge or downplay the MCU elements, the backlash could continue even if they make the last Spider Film with MCU elements since its possible fans will boycott the film resulting in a lesser box-office take.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#107233: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:33:49 AM

Remember in the Spider-Man: Far From Home thread when I explained the Marvel Studios-Sony Pictures deal? Well, when it said that both parties can end the deal anytime they wanted, I think that it was some sort of warning that part.

I may be just an observer in this part, but I just wish so hard those news I've heard were not true. I hope both parties could renew their deal.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:39:00 PM

"Scooby Dooby Doo!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#107235: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:43:28 AM

Oh gods, so it is true? No more Spidey on the MCU anymore?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107236: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:44:29 AM

No,the deal isn't even close to being finalised yet,but you gotta make a headline to draw clicks somehow

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#107237: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:48:30 AM

Oh. Well, that's a bit better then. I was seeing a lot of discussion about this just about everywhere and got a bit concerned.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:48:40 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#107238: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:09:17 AM

If I have to choose who's in the right between the roided up mouse that has your childhood's balls grasped tightly in its grip and the bane of animation fans everywhere, I'm going to have to go with Disney on this one. I realize Sony wants the money, but I think it should make better stuff.

[down]Fair enough.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:21:31 AM

The legend has returned.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#107239: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:15:57 AM

"I realize Sony needs the money"

What a weird thing to say. Are they running out of operating cash? "Wants" may be a better word there.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107240: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:19:50 AM

What a weird thing to say. Are they running out of operating cash? "Wants" may be a better word there.

Actually, I still recall reading about murmurs that Sony is sort of having financial issues and considered ditching their film and TV divisions, but that hasn't been brought up in some time.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:27:27 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107241: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:21:05 AM

The word they're look for its 'entitled' Sony is entitled to some of the cash and Disney wants 50 percent of it

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#107242: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:24:07 AM

the bane of animation fans everywhere

Admittedly, the only good thing Sony Animations has produced in recent times is a Spider-Man movie.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107243: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:25:37 AM

you are continuing to claim Sony somehow forced to agree to a deal that was hugely unfavorable to them.
...dafuq are you talking about? My posts have clearly and always stated that the deal was extremely favorable to Sony. Sony gets to keep 95% of the profits of films they don't make! I don't care if they don't receive any money from team-up films — they weren't going to receive any money from those films anyway!

At this point, you just appear to willfully being misunderstanding any and all of my arguments and making claims that are completely unsubstantiated.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107244: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:25:45 AM

Continuing my last post [up][up][up][up], apparently Sony movies are still underperforming pretty badly.

Off the top of my head, MIB: International, Brightburn, and most recently, The Angry Birds Movie 2 are all coming up short of expectations.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:26:38 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#107245: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:27:16 AM

Because those movies aren't that good. Well, I enjoyed MiBI, but I don't have any illusions about it representing some kind of resurgence of the franchise. Also, their marketing is terrible: I didn't even know Angry Birds 2 was a thing until after it released.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:27:45 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#107246: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:27:42 AM

Sony doesn't know how to movie.

Disney by contrast does know how to movie. Too well. Except maybe where Star Wars is concerned.

Edited by M84 on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:28:11 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107247: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:38:31 AM

I didn't even know Angry Birds 2 was a thing until after it released.
I only know about it because Rachel Bloom was in it and I love Rachel Bloom.

Speaking of which, here you go, Marvel and Sony!

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107248: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:52:02 AM

So something I thought about last night, Marvel Studios has lost the film rights to Spidey right?

But, don't they still have the TV rights? Hypothetically, they could make a Spider-Man series on Disney+ starring Tom Holland and Sony can't do a thing about it.

Of course, realistically, they're probably contracts forbidding them from pulling a stunt like this. Sony probably owns the rights to Holland's Spider-Man and his supporting cast, so Disney doing something like this is incredibly unlikely.

But maybe this is how we can get Mile Morales into the MCU? Peter retires off-screen, and Miles steps up to take his place? Yeah, we'll never see him in a MCU movie, but he could crossover with the other Plus shows. Hypothetically, anyway...

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:52:39 AM

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#107249: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:59:00 AM

"So it turns out that after J.J.Simmons outed Pete to the whole world, he just kinda petered out as Spider-Man and left the whole hero scene, but now there's a whole new Spider-Man around!"

Actually, yeah, now thinking about it, how would they justify Peter and Spider-Man's disappearance from the MCU if this doesn't get fixed?

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107250: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:12:30 AM

Disney only has the rights for animated series with a runtime less than 40 minutes. They don't have live action rights.

This is why Spider-Gwen is on those Marvel Rising 22 min specials, but disappears in the 44 min specials.


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