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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107176: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:50:36 PM

He's pointing out an obvious fact-that placing the success or failure of a movie on Sony or Disney and not, you know, the people who acted/wrote/directed/shot/edited/scored, and so on a movie is...well, kind of dumb.

Jumanji wasn't good because it was a Sony film, it was good because the crew and cast put forth a good effort. Same of Far From Home, and any other movie ever made by any studio ever.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#107177: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:51:32 PM

Also dunno why people aren't mentioning merchandising which apparently Disney gets full profit or bigger shares.

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107178: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:52:01 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that. There might be some credibility to this idea Disney deserves that money if they were intending to give it to the camera crew, the sound team, the SFX guys and the whole crew. But Disney aren't doing that.

Edited by qwigly on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:54:53 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107179: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:55:02 PM

They are still the ones who hired the people who made it though.

Its not a guarantee that Sony will hire the same people responsible for the quality.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:56:17 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107180: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:55:42 PM

Well, as someone else on this thread put it "I don't care as long as I get what I want."

If they think at all that Sony is somehow stopping them from getting what they want, then they're the bad guys, full stop.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107181: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:00:46 AM

Recall that Sony hired Lord and Miller and won an Oscar, and Disney fired Lord and Miller and bombed a Star Wars film. Neither studio is wholly without merit or infallible with it comes to producing or casting.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:01:53 PM

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107182: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:01:13 AM

So Disney are now willing and able to weaponise fanboy rage for use as as form of intimidation in legal negotiations.

Thats....really bad.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107183: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:02:10 AM

[up][up] Heh now that's funny. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107184: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:05:57 AM

Disney didnt make the movie. The people who made the movie made the movie. Disney let Kevin Feigie work as a producer. Which they now feel entitles them to 50% of all profits.
When I said "Disney made the film," that's shorthand for "Disney hired everyone who, in turn, wrote, directed, acted in, and did all the things that made the film. Without Disney, those people probably wouldn't have been hired and the film that was made wouldn't have been made. A vastly different film would have been made."

When someone says "Studio X made the film" they are using it as shorthand. They don't mean it literally. Which you know.

In any case, my point still stands: Disney made the film, Sony distributed the film.

(By the way, production companies actually do make films. And Marvel Studios is a production company. Which made Spider-Man: Far From Home alongside Columbia Pictures and Pascal Pictures. Again: Sony only distributed.)

Edited by alliterator on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:08:26 PM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#107185: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:10:56 AM

[up][up][up]That's what honestly rubs me off the worst in this debacle.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#107186: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:14:54 AM

For the record, the Disney/Sony deal paid Disney based on first dollar gross. Meaning Disney got 5% of the first day's box office. Not 5% of total gross. Far From Home grossed $39,255,628 on its first day. Assuming I didnt flub up, that puts 5% of first gross at $1,962,781.40

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:15:20 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107187: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:35:03 AM

That's not what first dollar gross means.

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:40:48 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107188: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:45:45 AM

Yes, it is. You get a percentage of the first day's gross, instead of waiting for the entire thing, because, again, Hollywood Accounting might mean you see nothing. There are actors who negotiated for a first-dollar gross, so if the movie was an immediate hit, they got paid first, rather than wait until everyone was paid and then get paid from the back-end.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:48:24 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107189: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:49:10 AM

...Its literally in the first sentence.

You don't get a percentage of the first day, you get it from the first day.

It means you don't have to wait till break even to start getting points.

Which means Marvel got $55 million from Far From Home.

Now its true that sometimes there are a few expenses taken from net, and not gross. But it still doesn't mean ONLY the first day's profits.

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:51:40 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107190: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:51:09 AM

Ah. That did seem weird. Still, syntax is confusing! [disappears in a puff of smoke]

Edited by alliterator on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:51:46 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107191: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:51:57 AM

Reading isn't just fun, its fundamental.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107192: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:57:45 AM

If its not fun then why does it have fun in it?

Damn you English language!

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:58:09 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107194: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:00:54 AM

Which made Spider-Man: Far From Home alongside Columbia Pictures and Pascal Pictures. Again: Sony only distributed.
....do you not know what Columbia pictures is and who owns it?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#107195: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:03:48 AM

Yeah, Columbia Pictures is part of the Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, alongside Tristar Pictures.

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107197: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:07:34 AM

....do you not know what Columbia pictures is and who owns it?
Yes, I know, Sony bought it in 1989. Just like Marvel Studios was bought by Disney. That doesn't make what I wrote any less correct. Columbia is a co-producer alongside Marvel Studios and Pascal Pictures. Sony, on the other hand, only distributed the film.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#107198: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:07:45 AM

I learned something today. $55M still isnt great considering it had a budget of $170M overall.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107199: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:09:58 AM

Yeah, 5% of even first-dollar gross is ridiculously low. Marvel probably agreed upon it because they really, really wanted Spider-Man in the MCU at the time.

As an counter-example, Tom Hanks and Stephen Spielberg shared 40% of the first-dollar gross of Saving Private Ryan. Which netted them about 96 million each.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 21st 2019 at 1:13:59 AM

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107200: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:18:34 AM

Oh give me a break. Disney are one of the kings of exploiting contracts and screwing over other people. Remember the shit they pulled with their agreement with Robin Williams playing the Genie?

My point is, Disney did not get suckered in to signing a horribly lopsided deal against their own wishes in 2015, they are fucking Disney. The deal they inked was exactly what they wanted. Now they want more.

Again, the previous deal also includes unlimited use of the character in any team up movie, with Sony not even getting a single dollar for those.

Edited by qwigly on Aug 21st 2019 at 1:21:00 AM


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