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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107151: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:52:28 PM

Disney wanted to throw out the deal everyone slready liked and agreed to and which worked great, because they wanted more. And cause they wouldn't be satisfird with just having the same, and needed more, now they ruined the whole deal.

There isnt anything more to the sutuation that isnt just fanboyism.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107152: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:58:32 PM

Well you know, Disney only makes six times as much money in a year as Sony does.

They needed the extra cash, obviously.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107153: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:58:41 PM

@Danime91

In defense of Into The Spider-Verse, it was also produced with a much lower budget than a typical Disney or DreamWorks animated movie. Most of Disney's CGI movies these days cost somewhere in the ballpark of $180 million; Into The Spider-Verse was made for only about half that.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:59:14 PM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#107154: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:59:41 PM

Nah.

As thing stood, Disney was paying for the lion's share of the production costs, while Sony kept the lion's share of the profit (which is as high BECAUSE of Disney's involvement).

And btw, Disney doesn't make 100% profit from Spidey merchandise. That's still split between them and the toy companies and what not.

It's just that Sony doesn't get anything from that particular pie.

As someone that liked MCU Spidey buy still had a lot of issues with their implementation, I'm torn in these news.

I'd like to see Tom Holland keep making MCU appearances in the future, but if it ends here I'm not gonna be too worried.

Sony is going to need to produce nothing but ITSV material from now on for me to care about their Solo Spidey going forward.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107155: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:00:50 PM

Where are you getting this idea that Disney was paying most of the production costs?

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#107156: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:02:23 PM

Yeah Sony was fine with the current deal, it's Disney wanting full control. You don't really need to take a "side" when you say one is abhorrent.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107157: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:02:45 PM

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that's part of the reason they made Into The Spider-Verse in the first place. They wanted to have an alternative version of Spider-Man that they could keep if it ever came to a rights issue between them and Disney. Notice how the MCU Spider-Man is conspicuously absent from that movie? That's Sony saying "We don't need your Spider-Man to make a good movie when we have all these. "

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:05:13 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107158: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:05:02 PM

I don't know if I'd say conspicuously. They had more than a half dozen Spider people in that movie, they didn't really need to add the Holland version.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107159: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:07:26 PM

Still, I have a feeling they greenlit that movie as a way of telling Disney that they can manage the Spider-Man property just fine by themselves, thank you very much. And if Disney ever does come knocking, asking for its toys back, Sony has a fallback it can use to keep producing Spider-Man movies.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:09:33 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107160: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:08:31 PM

Eh, maybe. It was in the works as early as 2014, if I recall correctly.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107161: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:09:16 PM

Well, maybe they were just being prepared. If you're dealing with a company like Disney, it's only a matter of time before it comes to this.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:12:30 PM

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107162: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:09:31 PM

They also never added the Raimi or Webb Spiders-Man. Probably cause it would just confuse people.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107163: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:09:41 PM

Once again I really don’t trust Sony to make a quality product.

Sure the MCU Spidey-films have a Stark problem but at least they are at a fine level enough of quality.

It’s like wanting to be independent from a luxury suite & when you get independence you wind up living in a garbage pile.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#107164: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:10:17 PM

If James Gunn can be rehired after his little "scandal", surely this will get worked out.

I see this getting resolved in a couple months, half a year at the very most

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107166: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:13:30 PM

Disney knows what they are doing. People are blaming Sony left and right now, they will be willing to re-negotiate.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107167: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:15:54 PM

For the record I'm not on Disney's side despite what I said.

Just acknowledging we'd get a really shit hand if these negotiations don't fall through.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:21:35 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107168: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:18:43 PM

People have been shitting on Sony nonstop for years. They got sttacked be terrorists, and people made fun of them for it. How does this change anything?

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107169: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:19:06 PM

Yeah, fuck both Disney and Sony.

I just want Spider-Man back in the MCU.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#107170: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:19:24 PM

[up][up]Be on Marvel's side, not Disney's

There is a difference

Edited by MrHellboy on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:20:15 PM

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107171: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:20:19 PM

Yeah Sony was fine with the current deal, it's Disney wanting full control.
What part of "50%" means "full control"?

The fact of the matter is that Disney wanted more than the 5% they were getting and Sony didn't want that. Because it's about money and it's always been about money and now that Disney had made a billion-dollar movie for Sony — a movie that is now the highest grossing Sony movie ever — Disney thought that they were owed a bigger share of the pie.

Whether or not you believe that, the truth is indisputable: Sony co-financed the film (along with an equity firm), Disney made the film, and the Sony distributed the film. Disney gets 5% of the profits and the rest go to Sony. Sony wanted to continue this deal, because, hey, it's a great deal for Sony! Disney wanted to change the deal because, get this, they only get 5%. Of a movie they made.

Of course, Hollywood Accounting could also comes into play, because even though the movie made over a billion dollars, we can't know for sure how much Sony actually paid Disney. After all, the Lord of the Rings movies made billions, but Peter Jackson still had to sue New Line Cinema for funds that they never gave him.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:21:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107172: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:20:20 PM

[up][up] Huh yeah that is a good point.

Marvel's not doing the deals, its Disney.

Man fuck that rat. tongue

[up] Did Jackson get any of those funds?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:22:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107173: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:40:39 PM

I had no idea that Tom Watts, Tom Holland, Jake Gyllenhal and Marisa Tomei were just assetts of the Disney corporation.

Disney didnt make the movie. The people who made the movie made the movie. Disney let Kevin Feigie work as a producer. Which they now feel entitles them to 50% of all profits.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#107174: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:42:46 PM

[up][up][up]Pretty sure that's not what happened.

[up][up]Yeah that's a better take.

Also I kinda feel sad at the generation that didn't get to experience non-MCU Marvel stuff. But hey they seem to be warming up with Spider-verse.

Edited by Ookamikun on Aug 21st 2019 at 2:43:28 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107175: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:42:52 PM

[up][up] What the hell are you talking about?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:43:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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