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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107101: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:26:56 PM

Okay that's it for Spider-Man movies.

Leaving only the games to look forward too cause the current Marvel cartoon isn't very good.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#107102: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:30:04 PM

[Far From Home] will be re-released over the Labor Day weekend with 4 minutes of additional footage.

wild mass guessFour minutes after his identity was leaked, Peter Parker rounds a corner and gets eaten by Venom.wild mass guess

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#107103: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:31:13 PM

Wait, wasn't there a third movie stipulated in the MCU-Sony contract? Is that still on?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107104: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:34:04 PM

[up] Apparently not.

I hope Sony's stock drops hard tomorrow. 😡😡😡 Because if this really is it, then Sony will never see a dime out of me from now on.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:35:08 PM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#107105: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:35:53 PM

If they have to completely exile Peter and his supporting cast from continuity due to this, this could really cause a lot of weirdness throughout the MCU.

Well, can't be top dog forever.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107106: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:40:42 PM

Spider-Man movies where very self-contained, there no traces of Spider-Man in other movies. On the contrary, SM movies have a lot of MCU references.

As for how to divorce SM, simple: "Kid retired/went into witness protection after his identity was revealed". And that is, if they want to address it at all.

Holland Peter in Sony's universe will be much harder to explain...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#107107: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:44:45 PM

I'm at everyone.

Not just Sony, not just Disney, but both.

Don't even try and tell me I should blame one over the other. I don't care.

Both have all my hate.

One Strip! One Strip!
ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107108: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:45:45 PM

Here's what I predict is going to happen regarding Spider-Man and Disney.

First off, it wouldn't be practical for Disney to straight-up buy Sony Pictures just to get their hands on Spider-Man again the way they did with Fox. Not because they don't have the money to (they absolutely do), but because the cost-benefit ratio doesn't measure up. Remember, Disney is interested in franchises, and the acquisitions they make are franchise powerhouses. Sony doesn't have enough viable franchises under its belt to make Disney interested other than Spider-Man. A multibillion dollar purchase just for the rights to a handful of characters? Not worth it.

What I DO think will happen is that they will use some of the intellectual property they've bought from Fox but don't really have any intent of using—say, Alien or Predator—as a bargaining chip of sorts to sweeten the deal if Sony were to give them the Spider-Man rights back.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:48:27 PM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#107109: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:46:00 PM

[up][up] This really does sound like a bunch of corporate greed and arrogance on both sides. They produced a smash hit together, then stabbed one another in the back to gain total control.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:47:13 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#107110: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:46:08 PM

So that's it. We've lost Spider-Man and his supporting cast in the MCU because Sony and Disney can't play nice with each other.

I'm fucking angry now.

I'm seriously considering boycotting Sony and the MCU both after this.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107111: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:46:49 PM

What do you make of my prediction?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#107112: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:52:24 PM

Bob Iger also said recently that he's been underwhelmed with the results of the purchase of Star Wars. Is Disney finally paying the price for how widely they've spread themselves?

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107113: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:52:54 PM

Well, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. . .

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107114: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:53:52 PM

[up][up] Huh why is he dissatisfied exactly?

[up][up][up][up] Would Sony even have an intrerest in the Alien& Predator franchises?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:54:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107115: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:54:30 PM

[up][up][up][up]It could work, but it seems that this is ending on a bad note. I don't think they will collaborate or make any deals for a while.

Just saw on Twitter that Disney+ couldn't have both SM movies on it until at least 2021, since Sony has a deal with Starz, but it would take further negotiations with Sony. Well, it now seems that the MCU saga will be incomplete on Disney+.

Another thing, I wonder where this lefts Spider-Ham? I'm not joking, he was considered a "frozen" character, a character who wouldn't be able to show up in movies unless both parties came to a agreement. If things got that bad, then we'll also probably not see Peter Porker in It SV sequels.

Edited by Akirakan on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:55:03 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107116: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:55:44 PM

So, does that mean Spider-Man's gonna be get the same treatment the X-Men and Fantastic Four did back when Fox owned the film rights? Spider-Man's not going to appear in cartoons or games with other Marvel heroes, and his role in the comics are going to be downplayed going forth? Spidey's their most popular hero, but the X-Men had that going for them before the first Avengers film was made.

Oh god, are we going to have a repeat of the Inhumans shilling, where Marvel editorial starts promoting some other hero to awkwardly fill in the same role Spider-Man once did? Uggghh...

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#107117: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:56:18 PM

Disney wasn't even planning on making any Spider-Man movies for a couple of years.

And a lot can change in a couple of years

Remember: We all thought James Gunn was gone for good. No harm in hoping for another miracle

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#107118: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:56:26 PM

[up][up] They didn't do that with Spidey before the deal that resulted in him appearing in Civil War, so it's unlikely they'll do that now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:57:29 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107119: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:58:15 PM

@slimcoder: I'm guessing that a lot of people at Disney didn't realize that Star Wars isn't nearly as big as it used to be. Even pre-TFA.

That said, treating this as some sort of victory over Disney's pseudo-monopoly is weird because like, they still own Spider-Man. They own the character and everything relating to him except for the right to make movies.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:59:13 PM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107120: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:58:33 PM

No, I don't think so. They don't have the movie rights, but they still have cartoon rights and 100% profit from merchandise. They'll receive money for the toys based on Sony's movies.

Add to that that Perlmutter isn't that involved anymore at Marvel, instead being more occupied with his political career being Trump's aide. He was the main reason behind the whole shaft of the X-Men and F4.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#107121: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:59:03 PM

[up]x6 I was just using those as an example. Basically, here's how I think it's going to go down.

Disney approaches Sony with an offer to trade an IP they now own but aren't really going to be doing anything with (I mentioned Alien and Predator since they're probably the least "Disney-ish" of the franchises the company now owns) for the exclusive film rights to Spider-Man. If Sony agrees to make the trade, so much the better. If they don't, Disney could add a financial incentive in, and pay Sony to accept the trade.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:01:20 PM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#107122: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:59:32 PM

@ slimcoder: The new films' divisiveness combined with the theme park performing well under expectations, I think.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107123: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:00:28 PM

[up][up] Ah well I can see it.

Hopefully they reach some kind of compromise....... again.

[up] They prolly should have put more stuff to that park. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 10:00:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107124: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:05:28 PM

I think it's worth noting that Sony needs Spider-Man way more than Disney does. Lest we forget that even with the full force of the MCU behind him, Spider-Man still wasn't able to make as much as Captain Marvel or Black Panther.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107125: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:12:19 PM

[up] It's also worth noting that Sony can't be trusted to their own devices because the last time that happened, we got ASM 2 and Venom.

Venom only got as much as it did because people were talking about it for all the wrong reasons.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:13:23 PM


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