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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107051: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:00:17 PM

Now, is 50% too high? Probably, but that was their first offer. Generally, a negotiation requires back-and-forth, but Sony didn't do that, they just rejected the offer and said, "We're taking Spider-Man and going home."
What exactly is the counteroffer you make after someone demands 50% that ends up getting back to the original deal? Was sony supposed to demand 100%, and a 20% cut of Avengers movies?

Walking away is the only way to take a bad opening offer off the table entirely, and get Disney to propose a better point that they can negotiate from.

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#107052: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:05:08 PM

But is the bridge already burned for that to happen?

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#107053: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:16:15 PM

I think a lot of people jumped the gun here

It ain't over yet

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/spider-man-mcu-sony-disney-agreement-1203308069/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Edited by MrHellboy on Aug 20th 2019 at 6:16:24 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107054: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:16:46 PM

Okay, apparently the negotiations are still ongoing.

Evidently, Kevin Feige wanted a producer credit on Morbius and Venom 2. And also Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige would help out on other SUMC movies.

Which Tom Rothman shot down.

(Because that makes total sense.)

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 20th 2019 at 7:17:53 AM

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#107055: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:54:31 PM

Please don't do this Sony and Disney. Don't let Peter Parker's last word be fu- in this continuity. But seriously, this has to be the most stressful day for me with the situation I have at work and the news I am hearing write now.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107056: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:58:46 PM

What exactly is the counteroffer you make after someone demands 50% that ends up getting back to the original deal? Was sony supposed to demand 100%, and a 20% cut of Avengers movies?
I don't think you know how negotiations work. Sony could have asked that, instead of 50%, Disney get 10%, which is twice what they are getting now. Or they could have offered them a percentage of the non-MCU movies (which it appears is what Feige actually wanted, wanting to be a producer on things like Venom 2).

Leaving the table completely just means that you're going to look greedy in the press. I guarantee that most people are going to blame Sony if the deal falls through and not Disney.

You want to see some really terrible negotiatons? See the Writers' Strike of 2008:

Edited by alliterator on Aug 20th 2019 at 4:59:07 AM

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#107057: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:00:44 PM

[up][up][up] Surprise surprise Rothman fucking shit up

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#107058: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:02:11 PM

[up][up] Shit if Feige has a hand on Venom 2 I might get excited for it.

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#107059: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:13:40 PM

Was the first Venom movie really that bad? I know a few people who like it when viewed as some sort of romcom.

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#107060: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:20:02 PM

So after looking at the other news links, apparently negotiations are not final yet.

How much you wanna bet this is just a publicity stunt to keep people talking about Spider Man until it's time for the next one.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#107061: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:21:53 PM

I've only seen the final battle from it - but it looked pretty amazing. The plot seems by-the-numbers but that was to be expected when you rip a villain out of a shared universe and make him headline his own movie.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107062: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:23:37 PM

Apparently, all the parts where Eddie Brock and Venom are interacting are great due to Tom Hardy. And all the other parts are meh.

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#107063: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:23:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]A lot of people say that but I didn't find it very funny either.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 20th 2019 at 8:24:51 AM

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qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107064: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:39:00 PM

I don't think you know how negotiations work. Sony could have asked that, instead of 50%, Disney get 10%, which is twice what they are getting now. Or they could have offered them a percentage of the non-MCU movies (which it appears is what Feige actually wanted, wanting to be a producer on things like Venom 2).

Leaving the table completely just means that you're going to look greedy in the press. I guarantee that most people are going to blame Sony if the deal falls through and not Disney.

those are the positions Sony would want to END at, not start with. Disneys initial position is so extreme thst trying to compromise with them would just be wildly unbalanced in Disneys favor.

And considering Sony were trying to keep the deal at exactly where everyone already agreed was fair a few years as go, theres nothing else they could do to not look greedy here is people were always going to take Disneys sideno matter what.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107065: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:48:19 PM

And considering Sony were trying to keep the deal at exactly where everyone already agreed was fair a few years as go
That was before Disney made Sony a billion-dollar movie. Back when the deal was first made, Sony was in a bad place; now, they are in a much better place, largely thanks to Spider-Man and Disney.

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#107066: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:54:28 PM

I always feared this day would come, though I don’t think I’m freaking out, per se. If Tom Holland and the others were being left out to dry, I’d be pissed, but it does sound like they’ll be sticking around regardless, so it’s not the worst case scenario.

I do think it would also be nice for Spider-Man to rely on its own cast, rather than continuing to exist in the shadow of Tony Start (though that hardly ruined the films or anything). That being said, I WOULD be disappointed if this meant that Spider-Man could no longer make appearances outside of his movies.

It does sound like Disney’s the bad guy here, honestly. I’m no fan of Sony, but Disney’s sheer greed gets on my nerves a lot lately, and this is just the latest example of that. Surely they don’t need MORE money.

Hopefully, they manage to come to a deal after all. Still, what happens happens, I suppose.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Aug 20th 2019 at 8:55:31 AM

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qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#107067: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:54:45 PM

So Disney only signed on to the deal under the impression that all Disney made Spider-Man movies were going to be gigantic flops? Far From Home wasnt some kind of totally unforseen smash hit nobody could have ever seen coming, its performing pretty much where everyone expected.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107068: Aug 20th 2019 at 5:59:43 PM

So Disney only signed on to the deal under the impression that all Disney made Spider-Man movies were going to be gigantic flops?
Uh, no, where the hell did you get that? Disney signed onto the deal with the knowledge that they would be able to renegotiate it at a later date. Which they have.

Hell, this isn't even the first time they've renegotiated the deal.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 20th 2019 at 6:01:59 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107070: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:06:50 PM

Again, Sony had a counter for Disney's offer of co-producing and naming Feige as a producer for its other Spidey-adjacent movies, Disney turned them down.

Sony didn't just proverbially storm out of the room.

Most likely Disney will come back with a different offer in a few months.

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:07:55 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107071: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:07:37 PM

Again, Sony had a counter for Disney's offer of co-producing and naming Feige as a producer for its other Spidey-adjacent movies, Disney turned them down.
Source please?

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107072: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:11:37 PM

https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-spider-man-franchise-exit-disney-sony-dispute-avengers-endgame-captain-america-winter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/

"Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that."

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#107073: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:13:57 PM

We don't know what the "other configurations" were, though.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107074: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:21:30 PM

No, we don't.

But my point was that Sony didn't just storm out of the room and shout 'NO DEAL!'

They made a counter-offer which (presumably) would have been better for them than Disney's offer. Which is exactly what they're supposed to do.

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#107075: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:25:15 PM

I was panicking a little when the news hit, but now that it's clear that this was all a negotiating tactic, I'm significantly calmer. I really hope that this ends with Spidey still in the MCU, Far From Home is my favorite Spider-Man film (yes, even more than Spiderverse, I didn't fall in love with it as hard as everyone else did), and it would have been so painful to just leave off right at that monster of a cliff-hanger.


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