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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#107001: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:16:50 PM

Asking for more money is reasonable. Asking for half is insane.

Being a Marvel fan these days is a long story of having corporate politics ruin your ability to enjoy the characters and plots you want, so cynically speaking I'm almost used to this kind of crap. But it's still annoying.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:18:16 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#107002: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:18:39 PM

[up][up][up] 5% to half.

Seems a little much, isn’t it?

Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:21:53 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107004: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:20:22 PM

Hey guys, what's happened...?

"NO MORE MCU!SPIDER-MAN MOVIES."

.......................

What. In the actual. ASS?!

THAT'S NOT FAIR! FFH MADE OVER A BILLION DOLLARS! I'M STILL NOT OVER LOSING SPIDEY IN INFINITY WAR! AND I'M STILL NOT OVER WHAT HAPPENED IN FFH'S MID-CREDITS SEQUENCE!

IN WHAT TIMELINE IS IT A GREAT IDEA TO NOT DO ANY MORE AFTER THAT MID-CREDITS SCENE?!

THIS WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO SPIDEY AND SONY SOMEHOW FUCKED IT UP! HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US?!

ALL I WANTED WAS A SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL MOVIE! IS THAT SO HARD TO ASK FOR?!

...I think I need to lie down.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107005: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:21:36 PM

Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107006: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:21:43 PM

its OK

deep breaths and hum

Think happy angry thoughts

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107007: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:27:01 PM

If there is a God & they are nice enough, all of Sony’s live-action proespects will fail. tongue

Cause you know what, Venom was a nice enough romp but I don’t want to see it turn into a fucking franchise held by Sony.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107008: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:28:04 PM

...Triple Yikes.

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:28:16 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#107009: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:28:06 PM

one more day but its Eddie Brock marrying Venom

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107010: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:28:42 PM

50% is too much, yeah, but it sounds like Sony wanted to keep things exactly as they were.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:28:58 AM

This song needs more love.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#107011: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:29:27 PM

@Targetmaster: Especially because it seems like Disney seems to have shit the bed this time around.

Increasing the profit cut is not unreasonable, but to jump from 5% to 50% is the kind of deal only a complete, pants-in-the-head delusional lunatic would take.

So while I cannot believe I'm saying this, Sony is in the right, here.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 20th 2019 at 6:30:32 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#107012: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:29:45 PM

Honestly I'm kinda with Sony on this one. Marvel Studios did demand too much of them and I'm willing to potentially sacrifice the quality of the Spider-Man films (Jon Watts is still there so I'm less worried) to avoid Disney's stranglehold of the media becoming even tighter.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107013: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:31:27 PM

And for those who think Disney can solve this problem by just buying Spidey back from Sony, guess what? You just screwed over any Spider-Verse sequel that was in development too!

This is a good reminder that corporations aren't your friends. Sometimes I feel like we can forget that at points.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#107014: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:33:32 PM

I’m presuming they’re going to go back to the bargaining table in a month or two because both sides are completely SOL if they think a split helps either of them at this point.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#107015: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:33:33 PM

Wait upon reading that again, it looks like Disney was asking for 50/50 co-financing which, and I might be wrong, is different from asking for 50% of profits.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107016: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:35:50 PM

We are kinda screwed both ways to sideways here.

On one hand Disney is apparently greedy, on the other Sony can't make good movies.

Verse is the exception.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:36:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107017: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:36:43 PM

I mean, if they keep Mc Kenna and Sommers, I doubt it'll matter too much in any event.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#107019: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:40:04 PM

@HailMuffins:

Okay, how about Disney renegotiate and have 10%?

Look, Sony CANNOT be 100% in charge of a Spidey-franchise. Venom squeaked along because of word of mouth for all the wrong reasons.

Literally NOBODY cares about freaking Morbius.

And the only reason ITSV was so good was because of the cast and crew, not the top brass at Sony.

DO YOU WANT THEM TO REPEAT THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN SERIES FIASCO?

FORGET LYING DOWN! HOW CAN ANYONE LIE DOWN WHEN THE END OF DAYS IS HERE?!

shackwave Ultraman Omega from Nebula M78 Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107021: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:41:31 PM

[up][up]...I want to believe you're just trolling at this point, but I'm not sure.

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:41:46 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#107022: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:42:26 PM

That's why I say that, if we are to do anything other than complain, is to put heat on Disney so they walk back on the 50% of profits thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#107023: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:44:01 PM

They better do something to fix this.

I will not look forward to a Spider-Man movie made by the same people who made Venom.

I just can't.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#107024: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:45:06 PM

...That's not remotely how this works.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#107025: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:46:59 PM

According to Variety, the deal isn't over.

That said, this is a bad precedent. I fully expect that, if they make a deal for at least one more movie, that would be the last one. Marvel won't be risking messing with their continuity and keep introducing Spider-man elements that could be removed at any moment.

Edited by Akirakan on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:47:36 AM


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