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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106976: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:29:42 PM

OK,get this

For this reboot Peter Parker is now a robot who self destructs if someone says "Uncle Ben" or "Spider sense"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#106977: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:30:57 PM

Uncle Ben

Just Makima.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#106979: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:43:32 PM

If Sony does decide for whatever reason to do another reboot, that would make FOUR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF PETER IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS.

Don't catch you slippin' now.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106980: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:43:34 PM

Question: Is there some legal mumbo jumbo that doesn't allow Marvel to mention Uncle Ben or Spider Sense?

Leviticus 19:34
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#106981: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:47:34 PM

Hope Sony bombs hard with this bullshit.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#106982: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:53:29 PM

...Yikes.

Disney asked for more money, Sony wanted to keep doing it the way they were doing it. That seems a fair point to take a stand over.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#106983: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:55:02 PM

You can say Disney was greedy, but they don't fully own Spider Man. I guess this likely means X Men will come sooner rather than later.

Just Makima.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#106984: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:57:47 PM

I blame every single person who saw Venom.

This song needs more love.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106985: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:00:34 PM

I blame every single person who liked Venom.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#106986: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:02:35 PM

Marvel Studios right now:

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#106987: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:03:37 PM

They'll probably come back to the negotiating table at some point. But for now, Sonny wasn't gonna give up an extra 45% (roughly) in gross earnings.

That would have been like $550,000,000 for FFH, for context.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#106988: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:04:21 PM

I can't believe the Spiderverse shills won...

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#106989: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:04:58 PM

I doubt they will want to come back they might be thinking Peter and Venom will be enough. I think Feige should consider building the MCU around mutants now.

Just Makima.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#106990: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:04:58 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]No I blame people who saw Venom in theaters and hated it too. They contributed to its success.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:05:24 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106991: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:07:37 PM

[up]x3 Don't blame Spiderverse like that, it's the best Spider-Man movie ever made, blame whoever greedy corporate suits had this cocking idea of changing the profit cut.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106993: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:09:27 PM

Yeah, it’s probably not fair for us to be solely blaming Sony for not agreeing, and not Disney for making those huge demands for money and control in the first place.

Disney wanted 50% of the upcoming films. Fifty freaking percent! Given that they already have merch rights and tv rights and comic rights, there comes a point where a Sony barely has the rights to the character They supposedly do.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:11:56 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106994: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:09:43 PM

This is just the worst. sad

It’s fucking bullshit. [tdown]

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:09:53 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106995: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:10:22 PM

Disney will just buy Sony just to get all the rights,they could you know

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#106996: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:10:56 PM

[up][up][up] To be fair Disney likely only gets money from Spider Man merch rather than ticket sales.

Edited by Mizerous on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:11:11 AM

Just Makima.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#106997: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:11:53 PM

Regardless of who is at fault, it's us who are going to suffer from lack of continuation of MCU Spider-Man. So I don't really care whether Disney reneges on the profit split, or Sony caves in and accepts it. As long as I get what I want.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#106998: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:11:58 PM

Disney receives all the merchandising and roughly 5% gross earnings.

Asking to go from 5 to fifty is quite a lot.

[up] I repeat, "...yikes".

Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:12:37 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#106999: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:15:21 PM

I mean considering how Disney was the main reason Far From Home was as successful as it was, I don't really think them asking for more money is completely unreasonable.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:15:53 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#107000: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:16:45 PM

Y'know, if they didn't have The Stinger where Mysterio frames Peter and outs his identity, this wouldn't hurt as much. If you cut that scene out, it ends on a rather good note for Peter.

I understand Sony backing out, because a 50% cut is a lot to give to a company who doesn't own the film rights to your character. But still, this hurts. It's just companies fucking each over because they can't have all of the money.

I'm not mad, just extremely disappointed right now. If they keep Holland, we're probably going to look at another Alternate Continuity like season 6 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Worst case, yet another reboot. *sigh*

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:17:46 AM


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